{"id":183919,"date":"2017-03-19T16:24:13","date_gmt":"2017-03-19T20:24:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/who-wants-to-live-forever-transhumanisms-promise-of-eternal-life-irish-times\/"},"modified":"2017-03-19T16:24:13","modified_gmt":"2017-03-19T20:24:13","slug":"who-wants-to-live-forever-transhumanisms-promise-of-eternal-life-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/life-extension\/who-wants-to-live-forever-transhumanisms-promise-of-eternal-life-irish-times\/","title":{"rendered":"Who wants to live forever? Transhumanism&#8217;s promise of eternal life &#8211; Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Mark OConnell has spent the past few years meeting people who    want to upload their minds to robots and never die. He has    visited warehouses filled with frozen heads, met people who    implant technology in their own bodies, and toured the    United States in a    coffin-shaped camper van with a man who was campaigning to be    president.  <\/p>\n<p>    The general subject of OConnells beautifully written book,    To Be a Machine, is transhumanism. And far    from being a fringe movement of online nuts, this is, in fact,    at the centre of futurist thinking in Silicon Valley     Ray Kurzweil of Google is among its foremost theorists. The    central tenet of transhumanism is the notion of the    singularity, a moment at which we will have both self-aware    computers and the technology to allow us to merge our    consciousness with machines. (Kurzweil has suggested the year    could be 2045.)  <\/p>\n<p>    OConnell first came across transhumanism 10 years ago, when    writing for the now defunct Mongrel magazine. He is,    he stresses, a layman, not an expert, and he is even apologetic    about describing himself as a journalist, despite writing for    the New York Times magazine and the New    Yorkers Page Turner blog. (Im emasculated by your    professionalism, he says when he sees my uncharacteristically    printed-out notes.)  <\/p>\n<p>    I guess I do have this weird obsession with the machine of the    body, OConnell says as we upload sandwiches in a Dublin cafe.  <\/p>\n<p>    While there is this quite extreme movement with a cluster of    interesting ideas to think about in and of themselves, its    also a kind of an extreme manifestation of our own f***ed-up    relationship with technology and my own f***ed up relationship    with being a fallible, dying human being.  <\/p>\n<p>    So its a way of writing about death? To Be a Machine,    he says, is a book about death. I didnt really realise it    until Margaret Atwood put it on a    list of her favourite books about death . . . I have this thing    where anytime I go through a major life change it translates to    instant obsession with death. When I got married I thought, The    first part of my life is the part before I got married and I    didnt die, and the second part is the part where I have been    married and I die. He laughs. I am morbidly preoccupied with    death.  <\/p>\n<p>    There was no better place for him to be, then, than Phoenix, Arizona, where Max    More, chief executive of Alcor Life Extension Foundation,    showed him a warehouse full of frozen heads.  <\/p>\n<p>    They call them cephalons, OConnell says. They get a lot    of mileage out of that euphemism. But its this really banal,    mundane scenario. Its an office where no one seems to be doing    that much work. Theres a real air of lassitude about the    place, and its literally in a business park beside a place    called Big D Floor Covering Supplies.  <\/p>\n<p>    Is being frozen expensive?  <\/p>\n<p>    Those who sign up for this postdeath procedure do so in the    hope that by the time they are unfrozen there will be a cure    for death. I think the preferred scenario is that you upload    the brain into a new body, and the old fleshy body is disposed    of. Its a religious idea, basically. They hate that    interpretation of it.  <\/p>\n<p>    In his book OConnell cant help but reach for religious    allegories. Still, he is reluctant to describe transhumanism as    a religion (although he visits a quasi-religious offshoot,    Terasem Faith). His    narration has a winningly anxious air, and he indulges in long,    entertaining tangents where he talks about philosophy, his    young son and his own sanity.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mad as he found some transhumanist ideas, he cant entirely    discount them. I was often really aware of being the stupidest    person in the room. I had this sensation of being around people    who were way more rational than me and way more informed about    the technologies. I used this phrase magical rationalism.    There was a logic to everything, but it went to this space of    craziness.  <\/p>\n<p>    A case in point: OConnell spent time with a bunch of    biohacking body-modification aficionados in a house on the edge    of Pittsburgh. They want to    be cyborgs, he says. They refer to themselves as practical    transhumanists, and theyre in an uneasy relationship with the    people talking about mind uploading in the future. They want it    now. Theyre like the DIY punk wing of the movement.  <\/p>\n<p>    Practical transhumanists have unlicensed surgery to have    technology implanted in their bodies. So Im a cyborg, but    what does it mean? It means I can open my car without taking my    keys out of my pocket. The cure is worse than the disease,    basically. You have to get unlicensed surgery so you can open    the door of your car without taking your key out. They saw it    as a gesture towards the future.  <\/p>\n<p>    Again, theres a hugely religious dimension to it, but if you    say that to them they get really impatient, because theyre all    hard-core atheists into Sam    Harris and Daniel Dennett.   <\/p>\n<p>    Tim Cannon, the groups de    facto leader, recently had an implant removed that left a    horrible scar on his arm.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hed had this thing about the size of a mobile phone in his    arm, OConnell says.  <\/p>\n<p>     in this case a body modification artist named Steve Haworth  to put it into    you . . . It uploaded information about body temperature to his    laptop, which was connected to his heating system. If he got    too cold the heat went on.  <\/p>\n<p>    OConnell laughs. Kind of interesting, but also, would you not    just get up and turn on the heating?  <\/p>\n<p>    Not everyone is drinking the Kool-Aid. Transhumanists    ultimately believe that the mind is a vast collection of data    that is replicable outside the body. But one sceptical    neuroscientist told OConnell that the brain is less like a    collection of data and more akin to a shoal of fish. The notion    that we might be able to upload to machines anytime soon is    unrealistic.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its a recurring category error that we humans make,    OConnell says: to assume that our minds are like the latest    technology. I think transhumanist ideas come from spending too    much time with a computer and overidentifying with it as an    extension of the self. It reminds me of The Third    Policeman  the confusion between the man and the bicycle    . . . I wonder if Flann OBrien was around now, would he be    writing about computers?  <\/p>\n<p>    In another chapter OConnell travels with Zoltan Istvan, a    transhumanist theorist and life-size Ken doll, in a camper    van designed to look like a coffin, as Istvan campaigns for the    US presidency on an anti-death ticket.  <\/p>\n<p>    I like him against my better judgment, OConnell says. The    feeling must be mutual, because Istvan gave To Be a    Machine a positive review on Amazon. He wrote, Im unaware of any other    prominent writer having done so much research on the movement    itself that was not a transhumanist.  <\/p>\n<p>    How did all this contemplation of death and deathlessness    affect OConnell? Hmm, he says and chews his sandwich. This    is 80 per cent chewing, 20 per cent thinking, he says after a    while. He thinks again. The American political philosopher    Francis Fukuyama described    transhumanism as the most dangerous idea in the world.    OConnell wouldnt go that far himself, but he says he    understands the anxiety that comes from long-standing beliefs    about what it means to be human. He writes movingly about his    animalistic love for his wife and son:  <\/p>\n<p>    Would he like to be uploaded to a computer to live forever? I    would rather be dead. I cant quite intellectually justify it,    but it just feels viscerally nightmarish. Maybe I just dont    love life that much.  <\/p>\n<p>    His new friends in the world of transhumanism would call this a    deathist philosophy. It is an outlook he couldnt even shake    when faced with a minor cancer scare. I think my view of death    is still the view of a guy in his mid-30s. Whereas I talk to my    dad about it, hes 73 and he has a completely different view.    Hes a pharmacist, and says maybe it wouldnt be such a    terrible thing. You get to my age and an extra few years would    be nice. I suppose its difficult to imagine being at a point    where youre like, times up.  <\/p>\n<p>    Transhumanists, on the other hand, dont talk in terms of an    extra couple of years. Many fantasise about travelling the    universe eternally as near god-like machines. Meanwhile,    scientific types such as Elon    Musk and Stephen Hawking warn of the    dangers posed by malevolent artificial intelligences.  <\/p>\n<p>    Theres a sense that these people are off the reservation,    says OConnell, but at the same time these are the people    creating the future. Fifty years ago, if you had people talking    about how we were all going to spend all our time in this    semi-imaginary, semi-real realm  the internet  wed think    thats mad, and it doesnt sound all that great.  <\/p>\n<p>    OConnells current concerns are more prosaic. He worries about    who owns the servers on to which our data and personalities    might be uploaded (few transhumanists fret about such things)    and, in the shorter term, about his sons employment prospects.  <\/p>\n<p>    The one thing I came out of writing this book completely    shitting myself about was the employment implications of this    technology. The destruction of jobs, he says, will happen    soon.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the same way that the book is about death and America, its    about capitalism as well. I feel like the logic of capitalism    is inexorably heading towards owning the means of production    and the labour force, and integrating that into one machine and    getting rid of as many people as possible.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ultimately, To Be a Machine is both an insight into    transhumanist thought and OConnells very relatable fears and    anxieties about mortality and the future. I assume he will    follow through on these in his next book, which is about    prepping for the fall of civilisation: Its always the    apocalypse one way or another.  <\/p>\n<p>    His son recently asked what happens when people die. Without a    religious afterlife to fall back on, his mother told him that    his father was writing about people who believed that death    would end, so he might never have to worry about it.  <\/p>\n<p>    OConnell laughs. Also, it was perfect for the book.  <\/p>\n<p>    Patrick Freyne is interviewing Mark OConnell as part of    the Mountains to Sea DLR Book Festival, at the LexIcon    in Dn Laoghaire, on Saturday, March    25th, at 7pm; mountainstosea.ie.    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