{"id":180998,"date":"2017-03-02T14:21:19","date_gmt":"2017-03-02T19:21:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/the-evolution-of-the-orioles-top-10-prospects-camden-chat\/"},"modified":"2017-03-02T14:21:19","modified_gmt":"2017-03-02T19:21:19","slug":"the-evolution-of-the-orioles-top-10-prospects-camden-chat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/evolution\/the-evolution-of-the-orioles-top-10-prospects-camden-chat\/","title":{"rendered":"The evolution of the Orioles top 10 prospects &#8211; Camden Chat"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    The Orioles    farm system is not very good, just about everyone who isnt    paid by the Orioles agrees. This has been the case for a few    years now. The team has maintained success every other year at    the big league level, so it hasnt mattered yet, but they    havent had much success in getting mid-tier prospects to turn    into MLB-caliber players.  <\/p>\n<p>    You can see this clearly in the evolution of the annual Orioles    top 10 prospects list over the past several seasons. While the    Orioles have had some prospects that everybody really liked,    including Manny    Machado, Dylan    Bundy, and Kevin    Gausman, these same players were about all the value that    the Orioles have gotten at the MLB level from their top 10    guys.  <\/p>\n<p>    The folks at MLB Pipeline, who do the top 100 prospects in    baseball and the top 10 prospects in each organization for    MLB.com, helpfully put each list from 2011 onward in one    graphic on Twitter:  <\/p>\n<p>    The strength of the top names kept the Orioles at least in the    middle of the pack for a number of these years. Along with the    players the Orioles got when they were still picking in the top    5 every year, Jonathan    Schoop has proved to be a success story from the farm.    There are some others rounding out these top 10 rankings where    about all one can do is give a grim shake of the head.  <\/p>\n<p>    I mean, really, was Xavier    Avery and Joe    Mahoney really the best they could do prior to the 2011    season? Nick    Delmonico and Jason    Esposito before the 2012 season? It remains something of a    miracle that the 2012 team won 93 games. Other than Machado,    they sure didnt get much help from the farm. Outside of    Schoop    and Gausman, neither did the 2014 team.  <\/p>\n<p>    That 2011 ranking is so long ago that it still has Mychal    Givens the shortstop, and the fact that he re-emerged as a    reliever prior to the 2016 rankings was a poor sign for the    system anyway. Givens    has had some big league success, but for the most part, if one    of your best prospects is already a reliever, thats not a good    thing.  <\/p>\n<p>    To be fair to the Orioles, and to any failed prospect anywhere,    its hard to get to MLB and stay there. Most minor leaguers,    even some that get themselves proclaimed as top 100 prospects    in all of MLB, arent good enough. Of the ones who are good    enough, many will get hurt and not be what they were supposed    to be.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are a lot of failures that can be laid at the Orioles    feet. They havent developed an outfielder since Nick Markakis.    All we need to know about their success in developing starting    pitchers is that they thought it was a good idea to give up a    first round pick to sign Yovani    Gallardo and later trade for Wade    Miley last year.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some of these are self-inflicted wounds. Trading Eduardo    Rodriguez cost the Orioles, though they did at least have the    value of Andrew    Miller down the stretch run and in the playoffs that year.    Trading Zach Davies cost them more, because Gerardo Parra was    awful. The two have combined to start 75 games over the past    two seasons.  <\/p>\n<p>    Still, a starting rotation consisting of Chris    Tillman, Gausman, Bundy, Rodriguez, and Davies probably    wouldnt leave you feeling much better than you might about the    current rotation. This stuff isnt easy to do, and its harder    still now that the team is good and theyre not picking in the    top 5-10 spots of every round any more.  <\/p>\n<p>    The thing is, everyones old top 10 prospect lists look pretty    bad. Most people in Birdland, myself included, would probably    agree that the Boston farm system is always getting hyped. Here    is their top prospect lists over the last decade:  <\/p>\n<p>    Will    Middlebrooks had a good half-season in his rookie year and    was terrible afterwards. Brentz is 28 and has 90 MLB plate    appearances under his belt.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are success stories, much like the Orioles had. Xander    Bogaerts is good. Jackie    Bradley Jr., after an abysmal rookie year, is looking good,    much to the chagrin of Os fans. So is Mookie    Betts, whose ranking below some of those other guys now    looks hilarious.  <\/p>\n<p>    Others, like Yoan    Moncada and Manuel    Margot, were used as trade bait to fetch top quality MLB    talent: Chris    Sale and Craig    Kimbrel.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ryan    Lavarnway was going to be the Red Sox    catcher of the future. Then it was going to be Blake Swihart.    Neither one proved to be that. Henry    Owens has spent three years as a top 100 prospect in MLB.    He also walked 81 batters in 137.2 innings at Triple-A last    year. All the prospect people liked Allen    Webster, at least until he came up to the MLB level and was    bad, and so on.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ranking prospects isnt a pointless endeavor. The people with    expertise still do better than if a bunch of random schmucks    were rating prospects. Its something to talk about. Its not    an ironclad prophecy received from a blind hermit living on top    of a mountain.  <\/p>\n<p>    Maybe one lesson with the above is that Red Sox prospects get    hyped more than they should. But the bigger lesson is just that    its hard to find and develop big league talent, even if you    have gobs of money and can afford to fail sometimes. Boston    still owes Rusney    Castillo another $46 million, for crying out loud.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the Orioles are lucky, another four or five years down the    road, the success rate of their top 10 prospects will be better    than their ones from four or five years ago. Theyre really    going to need it.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.camdenchat.com\/2017\/3\/2\/14787720\/orioles-prospect-rankings-chance-sisco\" title=\"The evolution of the Orioles top 10 prospects - Camden Chat\">The evolution of the Orioles top 10 prospects - Camden Chat<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> The Orioles farm system is not very good, just about everyone who isnt paid by the Orioles agrees. 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