{"id":179318,"date":"2017-02-23T13:11:58","date_gmt":"2017-02-23T18:11:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/sean-spicer-blames-chaotic-town-halls-on-professional-protesters-so-did-obamas-team-washington-post\/"},"modified":"2017-02-23T13:11:58","modified_gmt":"2017-02-23T18:11:58","slug":"sean-spicer-blames-chaotic-town-halls-on-professional-protesters-so-did-obamas-team-washington-post","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/zeitgeist-movement\/sean-spicer-blames-chaotic-town-halls-on-professional-protesters-so-did-obamas-team-washington-post\/","title":{"rendered":"Sean Spicer blames chaotic town halls on &#8216;professional protesters.&#8217; So did Obama&#8217;s team. &#8211; Washington Post"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      Congressman Dave Brat (R-Va.) faced      a raucous group of detractors and supporters at a town hall      meeting in tiny Blackstone, Va. (Jorge Ribas\/The Washington      Post)    <\/p>\n<p>    President Trump and the Obama administration share a stance    toward protests at town halls: Meh.  <\/p>\n<p>    Here's Trump on Tuesday evening in response to     flare-ups at GOP town halls in recent days.  <\/p>\n<p>    And here's White House press secretary Robert Gibbs     back in August 2009, when the tea party was starting to    raise hell in town halls about the Affordable Care Act:  <\/p>\n<p>      Q: Are you concerned at what appears to be well-orchestrated      protesting of health care reform at town halls as derailing      your message?    <\/p>\n<p>      GIBBS: No. I get asked every day about the myriad of things      that could be derailing our message. I would point out that I      don't know what all those guys were doing, what were they      called, the       Brooks Brothers Brigade in Florida in 2000, appear to      have rented a similar bus and are appearing together at town      hall meetings throughout the country.    <\/p>\n<p>    Gibbs added: I hope people will take a jaundiced eye to what    is clearly the astroturf nature of so-called grassroots    lobbying  This is manufactured anger.  <\/p>\n<p>    Gibbs, it turns out, wasn't really right. We'll see whether    Trump is.  <\/p>\n<p>    Astroturfing,    for those unfamiliar, is the political practice of making    something appear organic  as though it's coming from the grass    roots. The implication is that the protesters aren't really    regular-Joe citizens, but political activists sometimes    appearing at multiple town halls to cause a scene and make the    movement appear bigger than it is.  <\/p>\n<p>    Update: Now Sean Spicer, echoing Trump, says, \"It is a loud    group, small group of people disrupting something, in many    cases, for media attention.\" Spicer, though, is actually more    charitable to the protesters than the Obama White Huse was,    saying they are a \"hybrid\" of activists and astroturfing.  <\/p>\n<p>    The problem with town hall protests is that they are, by    nature, defined by anecdotes and the viral nature of a limited    number of heated exchanges. It's nearly impossible to know how    representative this is of broader unhappiness with the    president (or anything else). It's too difficult to quantify    anger, where it's coming from and how representative it is of    the broader populations.  <\/p>\n<p>    Scott Jennings, a former aide to President George W. Bush who    has also worked forSenate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell    (R-Ky.), made what I think is a valuable point about all of    this:  <\/p>\n<p>    Whether Tuesday'sprotesters in Anderson County,    Ky.,who    told McConnell to do your job wereactually    out-of-town malcontents\" -- the same allegation Gibbs made in    2009  is kind of beside the point. Even if these people lived    in Anderson County, or anyplace in Kentucky, do their chants    really represent the broader population in their county or    their state? Just because a small group of people is making    good TV, does that mean McConnell should really be concerned?    And has there been an appreciable change in voter sentiments    less than four months since the election?  <\/p>\n<p>    Polling suggests we're in pretty much at the same position.    Trump was elected as an unpopular candidate, and he's    nowan unpopular president. The opposition to him was    extremely vocal during the campaign  calling him a racist,    sexist, misogynist and Islamophobe  and it remains extremely    vocal today.  <\/p>\n<p>    But the comparison between today and 2009 is an instructive    one. It's entirely possible that those protests more than    sevenyears ago were being organized and weren't totally    organic, as Gibbs alleged. But it's also clear that any such    organizing was successful precisely because actual opposition    to the Affordable Care Actwas a strong motivator for    people to turn out to the town halls. And opposition to Obama's    health-care planbecame such a rallying cry on the right    that it spurred the Republican takeover of the House in 2010    and then helped them take the Senate in 2014. It was certainly    more substantial than Gibbs professed to believe at the time;    it amounted to the canary in the coal mine for Democrats in    Congress.  <\/p>\n<p>    That said, it's just so difficult to know where to draw the    line between flashy protests at town halls and legitimate,    game-changing shifts in the political zeitgeist. It's not that    we shouldn't cover these protestsand try to understand    them. And it's not that these burgeoning town hall    eventscouldn't become a sign of something bigger; they    certainly could, and opposition to Trump has majority status in    the United States. But we should always be aware that anecdotes    can also be just that  anecdotes.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>The rest is here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/the-fix\/wp\/2017\/02\/22\/why-chaotic-town-halls-mean-less-than-you-think\/\" title=\"Sean Spicer blames chaotic town halls on 'professional protesters.' So did Obama's team. - Washington Post\">Sean Spicer blames chaotic town halls on 'professional protesters.' So did Obama's team. - Washington Post<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Congressman Dave Brat (R-Va.) faced a raucous group of detractors and supporters at a town hall meeting in tiny Blackstone, Va. (Jorge Ribas\/The Washington Post) President Trump and the Obama administration share a stance toward protests at town halls: Meh. Here's Trump on Tuesday evening in response to flare-ups at GOP town halls in recent days.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/zeitgeist-movement\/sean-spicer-blames-chaotic-town-halls-on-professional-protesters-so-did-obamas-team-washington-post\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187735],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-179318","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-zeitgeist-movement"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179318"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=179318"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179318\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=179318"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=179318"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=179318"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}