{"id":178501,"date":"2017-02-19T11:00:38","date_gmt":"2017-02-19T16:00:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/the-two-atheisms-how-to-know-smart-people-cannot-get-is-from-ought-patheos-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-02-19T11:00:38","modified_gmt":"2017-02-19T16:00:38","slug":"the-two-atheisms-how-to-know-smart-people-cannot-get-is-from-ought-patheos-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheism\/the-two-atheisms-how-to-know-smart-people-cannot-get-is-from-ought-patheos-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"The Two Atheisms: How to Know Smart People Cannot Get Is From Ought &#8211; Patheos (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    When I    was a boy, so long ago the New Atheists were young men, atheism    was sold to us in many a science fiction book as freedom from    the sexual repression that was killing us all. Someday, writers    like Isaac Asimov promised, sex would be less of a mystery and    a great deal more available. Meetings of atheists were proudly    freewheeling.  <\/p>\n<p>    They were governed by science and reason so they were going    to get rid of archaic sex rules. At least in their conferences    and sub-culture they did.  <\/p>\n<p>    How did it go?  <\/p>\n<p>    It did not go well. A new generation has arisen to suggest that    the end result was using women like tissue paper. I know this    is true, since my students had to deal with atheist big shots    who seemed to think every female worker was a dating    opportunity. A new generation of atheists rightly challenges    the ugliness, but good luck prevailing.  <\/p>\n<p>    The alpha males have no reason to do more than give lip service    to any system you create. On the other hand, as they age, they    might worry about an ethical system that might suggest they    have a duty to die and stop using up resources. A Christian    leader who has lived his life consistently with Christian    values knows he can find a Christian place to let him die with    dignity. An atheist leader has no such promise.  <\/p>\n<p>    Our morality endures. Atheist morality keeps trying to say we    ought when all they have is this is. Atheist morality    changes all the time and yesterdays virtue (free love!),    becomes todays vice. Sadly, there is no    reasontothink that atheist leaders will listen to    critics for now.  <\/p>\n<p>    Is still does not give an ought and people with power in a    system without transcendent morals will find reasons to ignore    any barriers to their desires. Fighting the good fight is hard    enough for those of us who believe in a real hell and moral    absolutes. . . we have our own hypocrites, but at least they    are hypocrites. Religion helps buttress morality.  <\/p>\n<p>    Expose a pastor as a hypocrite and you harm his ministry. If    you are creating your own meaning, you cannot be a hypocrite,    just sly. You might be a cretin, and some of the leading    atheists plainly are, but that judgment is based only on    someone elses self-created meaning. When a traditional    Christian sins, he might try to hide it, but he cannot claim it    is virtue. The same thing has not been true with    theStar Trek: the Original Series generation of    atheist leaders.  <\/p>\n<p>    They meant to set up a system where middle aged white men got    power and women.  <\/p>\n<p>    They are those who fame got them accessto the liquor    cabinet as a localized celebrity and then they abused the    liquor and the power. There is a reason that atheists lose more    of their own children than any other group: the movement is    ugly to the core. Findone atheist, secular, or    non-religious web site that isnot dominated by    being against everyone else and you have found the black swan.    They exist, but they are rare.  <\/p>\n<p>    When atheism is mostly white people angry with bad religious    childhoods, there is not much future to the    movement.Atheism is the only mostly white, mostly Western    phenomenon in the world that gets good press as the cutting    edge of history and that is not enough. Atheist kids get it and    most leave as a    result.They know the truth: the whiter the    town, the more secular it is. The more diverse the town, the    more religious it is.  <\/p>\n<p>    Atheism cuts you off from African culture, Indian culture, and    the parts of Chinese culture that are not running atheist    motivated concentration camps. What do you have? The truncated    bits of the West that does not include Shakespeare, Bach,    Newton, Handel, or Michelangelo. You do get Isaac Asimov, the    Amazing Randi, and Daniel Dennett.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is all a bit sad.  <\/p>\n<p>    If you inherited a Christian culture from your folks, you might    leave, because you think you can keep the good and get rid of    perceived evils. What do you inherit as an atheist? Read the    Atheist Net. Eliminate rants against religion and you are left    with almost nothing. . . except a population shrinking in every    part of the world that is not mostly white. You are angry white    males that hate Trump.  <\/p>\n<p>    Thats not much on which to base a culture. Christians can be    scientists, philosophers, and (mostly) ignore atheists.    Periodically atheists get control of a country and start    killing people, but fortunately, our American brand of atheists    seem far from powerand more benign.  <\/p>\n<p>    The second generation of atheists, the converts from some    religion and the few kids who stayed, are busy trying to deeply    reform the misogynistic, exploitative culture of the old    atheist boysnetwork. I wish them luck. However, they    should be warned: they too have a morality based on nothing    other than what they prefer. They will be radically rebooted by    the next generation, because all atheism has culturally been    against something. When it is not us, they have to have the    last generation of atheists.  <\/p>\n<p>    They are a culture of repudiation and anger based on hurt. If    religious people were not bad, there would soon be no atheists.    For that reason, all of us who love God, Love Himself, cannot    be triumphant in the rise of a second atheism. Mostly we look    to our own problems. . . except when a cock a doodle doo from    some new atheist reminds us that atheism has not been    harmless. You can be moral without religion, though    most agree religion helps, but there is vanishingly little    evidence that an atheist can stay moral without    religion.  <\/p>\n<p>    Religious minorities all over the world have left and formed    new cultures. Atheists stay and hope to hijack what is there.    If not, they have never succeeded in making a culture.  <\/p>\n<p>    It has been damnable, even by the standards of this generation    of atheists. Because of reason and experience, I am a    Christian. Maybe I am wrong and some other interpretation of    reality is better, but this much is relatively sure: atheism is    a dead end. They did not get ought from is in 1970 and my    bet is they are doing no better now.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>The rest is here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/eidos\/2017\/02\/two-atheisms-know-smart-people-cannot-get\/\" title=\"The Two Atheisms: How to Know Smart People Cannot Get Is From Ought - Patheos (blog)\">The Two Atheisms: How to Know Smart People Cannot Get Is From Ought - Patheos (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> When I was a boy, so long ago the New Atheists were young men, atheism was sold to us in many a science fiction book as freedom from the sexual repression that was killing us all. Someday, writers like Isaac Asimov promised, sex would be less of a mystery and a great deal more available.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheism\/the-two-atheisms-how-to-know-smart-people-cannot-get-is-from-ought-patheos-blog\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[162381],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-178501","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atheism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/178501"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=178501"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/178501\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=178501"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=178501"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=178501"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}