{"id":178445,"date":"2017-02-19T10:42:33","date_gmt":"2017-02-19T15:42:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/zoltan-istvan-nick-bostrom-and-the-anti-aging-quest-the-atlantic-the-atlantic\/"},"modified":"2017-02-19T10:42:33","modified_gmt":"2017-02-19T15:42:33","slug":"zoltan-istvan-nick-bostrom-and-the-anti-aging-quest-the-atlantic-the-atlantic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/transhumanist\/zoltan-istvan-nick-bostrom-and-the-anti-aging-quest-the-atlantic-the-atlantic\/","title":{"rendered":"Zoltan Istvan, Nick Bostrom, and the Anti-Aging Quest &#8211; The Atlantic &#8211; The Atlantic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    So, you dont want to die? I asked Zoltan Istvan, then the    Transhumanist candidate for president, as we sat in the lobby    of the University of Baltimore one day last fall.  <\/p>\n<p>    No, he said, assuredly. Never.  <\/p>\n<p>    Istvan, an atheist who physically resembles the pure-hearted    hero of a Soviet childrens book, explained that his life is    awesome. In the future, it will grow awesomer still, and he    wants to be the one to decide when it ends. Defying aging was    the point of his presidential campaign, the slogan of which    could have been Make Death Optional for Once. To (literally)    drive the point home, he circled    the nation in the Immortality Bus, a brown bus    spray-painted to look like a coffin.  <\/p>\n<p>    He knew hed lose, of course, but he wanted his candidacy to    promote the cause of transhumanismthe idea that technology    will allow humans to break free of their physical and mental    limitations. His platform included, in part, declaring aging a    disease. He implanted a chip in his hand so he could wave    himself through his front door, and he wants to get his kids    chipped, too. Hed be surprised, he told me, if soon we dont    start merging our children with machines. Hed like to replace    his limbs with bionics so he can throw perfectly in water polo.    Most of all, he wants to stick around for a couple centuries to    see it all happen, perhaps joining a band or becoming a    professional surfer, a long white beard trailing in his wake.  <\/p>\n<p>    Istvan made his fortunes in the real-estate business, but in    2003, he was working as a reporter for National    Geographic in Vietnam when he almost tripped a landmine.    The experience shook him so badly he quit journalism and    devoted his life to transhumanism. I thought, death is    horrible, he told me. How can we get around it?  <\/p>\n<p>    But his central goalpushing the human lifespan far    beyond the record 122 years and possibly into eternityis    one shared by many futurists in Silicon Valley and beyond.    Investor Peter Thiel, who sees death as the great    enemy of man, is writing checks to researchers like    Cynthia Kenyon, who doubled the life-spans of worms through    gene-hacking, as the    Washington    Post reported last April.    Oracle founder Larry Ellison has thrown hundreds of millions    toward anti-aging research, according to Inc magazine, and Google    founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin launched the Google    subsidiary Calico    specifically with the goal of curing death. Under President    Donald Trump, the quest for immortality might pick up steam:    Among the candidates he is reportedly    considering to head the Food and Drug Administration is Jim    ONeill, who sits on the board of the anti-aging SENS    Research Foundation.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some life-extension endeavors are already here. Several    companies already offer cryogenic freezing to people who wish    to have their dead bodies cooled with liquid nitrogen and    stored for centuries, with the hope that new medical    technologies will by then be available to re-animate them. A    British teenager who sued    for the right to be cryogenically frozen after her death from    cancer in October now    floats in frosty slumber in a Michigan cryostat facility.  <\/p>\n<p>    Meanwhile, scientists in California are    expected to launch a clinical trial in which participants    will have their blood cleaned of age-related proteins, the    Guardian reported, with the goal of helping them live    longer and healthier lives. A drug called    rapamycin, which extended the lives of mice by a quarter,    is also being tested. The thinking is, if we figure out what    chemical event signals to the body that its time to wrap    things up, said Sheldon Solomon, a psychology professor at    Skidmore College, you could be at a certain age for a long    time.  <\/p>\n<p>    The billionaire technologists obsession with living forever    can approach a sort of parody. Oracles Ellison once    said, Death makes me very angry\"suggesting this pillar of    nature is just another consumer pain-point to be relieved with    an app.  <\/p>\n<p>    But lets assume, for the sake of argument, that it can be.    Lets say human lives will soon get radically longeror even    become unending. The billionaires will get their way, and death    will become optional.  <\/p>\n<p>    If we really are on the doorstep of radical longevity, its    worth considering how it will change human society. With no    deadline, will we still be motivated to finish things? (As a    writer, I assure you this is difficult.) Or will we while away    our endless days, amusing ourselves towell, the Process    Formerly Known as Deathwhile we overpopulate the planet? Will    Earth become a paradise of eternally youthful artists, or a    hellish, depleted nursing home? The answers depend on, well,    ones opinion about the meaning of life.  <\/p>\n<p>    I didnt realize how much mainstream support there was for    eternal life until I had dinner with a friend who, its worth    noting, is even more traditional than I amhes not even on    Twitter.  <\/p>\n<p>    I interviewed this guy who wants to live forever, I said.    Isnt that wild?  <\/p>\n<p>    What do you mean? my friend asked. You dont want    to live forever?  <\/p>\n<p>    If he never died, he explained, he could finally pursue all the    hobbies and dreams hes never had time for. Even alternate    careers, like architecture. (Hes a lawyer.) Hes never quite    understood calculus, but with all the time in the world, he    could master it. He would take a sabbatical every four years to    travel the world.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ill admit, his passion for a long life of solving integrals    and kayaking through rainforests did drag me closer to the    immortality corner. Even if I extended my life by just a few    years, I could finally get to the bottom of my Netflix and    Pocket queues.  <\/p>\n<p>    And I had been silently dismissing life-extension enthusiasts    spiels about seeing their great-great-grandkids grow up, since    I dont have kids and probably never will.  <\/p>\n<p>    Butbutif I was certain I could stay sharp and    energetic well into my 90s, maybe my stance on motherhood would    change. I wouldnt worry so much about kids cutting into my    productivity if my ability to produce was limitless. Sure, Id    probably have a few sleepless nights and groggy days in the    early years. (Unless, of course, Silicon Valley really gets    cracking on those robot wet-nurses.) But once Olga Jr. was out    of the house and working as a Martian News    correspondent or whatever, I could more than make up for lost    time.  <\/p>\n<p>    This feeling of abundant possibility is one of the chief    motivations of the pro-longevity crowd. Projects and ambitions    like mastering every musical instrument in the orchestra,    writing a book in each of all the major languages, planting a    new garden and seeing it mature, teaching ones    great-great-grandchildren how to fish, traveling to Alpha    Centauri, or just seeing history unfold over a few hundred    years are not realistic: there is simply not enough time to    achieve them given current life expectancy, wrote Nick    Bostrom, an Oxford philosopher and grand-daddy of    life-extension (so to speak), with fellow philosopher Rebecca    Roache in 2008. But, they continue, if we could reasonably    expect from an early age to live indefinitely, we could embark    on projects designed to keep us occupied for hundreds or    thousands of years.  <\/p>\n<p>    Among the many downsides of dying is the prospect of never    reaching ones full potential. Right now, Im projected to die when    Im about 82. But what if it takes me until I'm 209 to write    the great American blog post?  <\/p>\n<p>    Still, a common fear about life in our brave, new undying world    is that it will just be really boring, says S. Matthew Liao,    director of the Center for Bioethics at New York University.    Life, Liao explained, is like a partyit has a start and end    time. We get excited because the partys going on for an hour,    and we dont want to miss it. We try to make the most of it    while were there.  <\/p>\n<p>    But imagine theres a party that doesnt end, he continued.    It would be bad, because youd think, I could go there    tomorrow, or a month from now. Theres no urgency to go to the    party anymore.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Epicureans of ancient Greece thought about it similarly,    Solomon said. They saw life as a feast: If you were at a meal,    youd be satiated, then stuffed, then repulsed, he said. Part    of what makes each of us uniquely valuable is the great story.    We have a plot, and ultimately it concludes.  <\/p>\n<p>    Dan McAdams, a psychology professor at Northwestern University,    explains that people make sense of their lives through    narrative arcs. Without an ending, there cant be a story. How    would we process life events differently, given infinite    do-overs? For example, because we have a vague sense that    people are supposed to die at roughly 80, we now grieve people    who die at 20 more than those who die at 78. But if people    began living to 500, that might change, McAdams pointed out.    There might be far more tragedy in the world if were mourning    the loss of every 90-year-old the way we now would a child.    Were just so much trained by evolution and culture to know    that our life is going to be relatively short and constrained,    he said, and to be somewhat cautious so we dont screw it all    up. (Of course, if technology also makes us    smarter as it makes us live longer, who knows what types of    new arcs well construct for ourselves.)  <\/p>\n<p>    Bostrom dismisses the thought that theres something about    impending death that adds meaning or motivation to our days.    It often seems the young are most energetically pursuing    different kinds of activities, and the closer you get to death,    the more people lean back, he told me. Partly its due to    their reduced energy and health.  <\/p>\n<p>    Which, of course, he hopes we can fix.  <\/p>\n<p>    Once living longer becomes possible, who will get to do it?    Istvan believes life-extension technology should be available    to everyone, not just the wealthy. He supports a universal    health-care system with life extension as one of its core    benefits. (Health-care costs wouldnt spiral out of control, he    and some    others think, because the longer-living humans would also    be healthier. Istvan plans to pay for this universal Zoltancare    by selling government land in the western United States.)  <\/p>\n<p>    Others believe that soon after life-extending technology    becomes available, the price will drop rapidly and it will    become attainable by mostjust as occurred with personal    computers.  <\/p>\n<p>    But the worry in the short-term, is what happens? The rich    could get richer and the poor could get poorer, Liao said.    Because the rich could afford to extend their lives first, and    life-extenders could amass more resources over the course of    their long lives, income inequality could grow even more    profound.  <\/p>\n<p>    Then again, thats how things work now. If someone comes up    with a new cancer drug, we dont say lets not use it until    every person has access to it, Bostrom told me. By that    logic, we should stop kidney transplants.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even if eternal life gets equitably distributed, theres still    the problem of what to do with all the excess centenarians    running around. Eventually, were going to run out of room here    on Earth. One solution would be to dramatically curtail    reproduction, focusing instead on the health and longevity of    those already here. As the philosopher Jan    Narveson put it, we are in favor of making people happy,    but neutral about making happy people. That might mean,    though, that you wont have a great-great-great-grandkid to    attend the dance-recitals of.  <\/p>\n<p>    There is a chance that worrying less about death might    short-circuit our naturally tribalist natures, easing    resource-allocation issues in the process. Solomon, the    Skidmore psychologist, researches terror management theory,    which suggests the knowledge of our eventual demise makes    people psychologically retrench. Being reminded of death    causes    study subjects to adhere more firmly to their existing    worldview, mistrust outsiders more, and even to, ahem, support charismatic    leaders who may not be very qualified. So in some ways,    eliminating the prospect of death might make us want to ratify    all the climate treaties and equitably divvy up the worlds    food supply.  <\/p>\n<p>    ... That is, of course, unless immortality has the opposite    effect, making us paranoid that well die too soon for no    reason. After all, even if we can eliminate aging, we cant    eliminate chance. Lets say you expected to live to 5,000 and    your heads being frozen, theres a power outage, and it turns    into a pile of mush, Solomon said. We might become even more    hyper-vigilant.  <\/p>\n<p>    Liao and others think one answer to the overcrowding problem    might be interstellar space travelwhich, they assume, will be    invented by then. When Earth turns into an overpopulated dump,    Liao says, the immortal can just hop between planets.  <\/p>\n<p>    I told him an eternity spent on Venus among youthful    billionaires does not appeal to me.  <\/p>\n<p>    What if all your friends go to Venus? he asked. He offered an    earthly comparison: Youll be here while everyones in    Brooklyn?  <\/p>\n<p>    (Everyones already in Brooklyn, though, and Im still    here in Northern Virginia.)  <\/p>\n<p>    Space travel is also how Liao envisions us overcoming the    boredom problem. Right now, the journey between solar systems    is too long for a human to accomplish in a normal lifespan, but    with life extension, that wont be a concern anymore. We wont    run out of things to do, the thinking goes, because there will    always be another planet to explore. Well all cheerfully grow    old aboard our interstellar minivan.  <\/p>\n<p>    And in general, Liao explained, humans engage in lots of    pleasures that arent repetitive, like forming new    relationships, making music, learning things, and experiencing    natural wonders.  <\/p>\n<p>    If thats what human existence is about, and you can continue    to do that, why not be able to live longer? he asked me.  <\/p>\n<p>    I guess I do like hiking, I said.  <\/p>\n<p>    You might even enjoy hiking on Mars, he said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Eh, dont push it.  <\/p>\n<p>    * * *  <\/p>\n<p>    The somber side to the debate is whether life extension will    cause us to lose our appreciation for natural human    vulnerability. In other words, society might begin to    preference those who have swallowed anti-aging drugs, making    un-enhanced humans a sort of rotting underclass.  <\/p>\n<p>    Parents who have babies with mild disabilities might be blamed    for not doing Gattaca, as Liao puts    it. (Istvans platform    reads, Develop science and technology to be able to    eliminate all disabilities in humans who have them.) Well    have to wrestle with whether those who dont take    fountain-of-youth pills should be charged more for health    insurance. Worse yet, by jetting off to a new planet, the    enhanced and immortal could abandon Earth to mere mortals, the    cruelest and most extreme form of segregation.  <\/p>\n<p>    Life-extensionists zeal for perfect cells does, to some, sound    like an invective against uniqueness. Thats what Melinda Hall,    a philosophy professor at Stetson University and author of a    recent book    about transhumanism, takes issue with. People with disability    are saying, this is a primary part of my identity, she told    me, so when youre saying you want to get rid of disability,    it sounds genocidal.  <\/p>\n<p>    Istvan dismisses disability-rights advocates as a fringe    minority, saying I would bet my arm that the great majority of    disabled people will be very happy when transhumanist    technology gives them the opportunity to fulfill their    potential. (Betting your arm is, of course, no biggie when you    can just get a bionic one.)  <\/p>\n<p>    In general, Hall said, the transhumanists have the wrong idea    about the problems facing humanity. People are going to be    starving and dying, but were going to build a colony on Mars?    she said, Thats going to cost billions of dollars, and I    think that should be spent somewhere else.  <\/p>\n<p>    Of course, that wont stop the billionaires from following    their dreams. Perhaps our best hope is that on the path to    immortality, theyll discover something useful to broader    swathes of society. Metformin, an old diabetes drug recently    shown to    extend the life of animals, is now being tested as an    anti-aging pill. If it really does allow people to stay healthy    in old age, some would regard it    a public health revolutioneven if it fails to help Peter    Thiel meet his cyborg-descendants in 2450.  <\/p>\n<p>    In that way, todays life extensionists might follow the proud    tradition of other explorers who shot for another galaxy and    ended up straddling the moon. The alchemists write about    trying to find elixirs of gold and immortality. They never find    that, but they discovered chemistry, Solomon said. 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