{"id":178263,"date":"2017-02-18T04:00:49","date_gmt":"2017-02-18T09:00:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/want-to-save-free-speech-listen-to-rod-dreher-jordan-cooper-issues-etc-etc-patheos-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-02-18T04:00:49","modified_gmt":"2017-02-18T09:00:49","slug":"want-to-save-free-speech-listen-to-rod-dreher-jordan-cooper-issues-etc-etc-patheos-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/freedom-of-speech\/want-to-save-free-speech-listen-to-rod-dreher-jordan-cooper-issues-etc-etc-patheos-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"Want to Save Free Speech? Listen to Rod Dreher, Jordan Cooper, Issues ETC., etc &#8211; Patheos (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      Stefan Molyneux: Free Speech is All That Matters.    <\/p>\n<p>    Post by Nathan Rinne  <\/p>\n<p>    Popular libertarian You Tuber Stefan Molyneux argues with all    his rhetorical might that Free Speech is All That Matters.  <\/p>\n<p>    I balk at his insistence. I dont like the way he puts that.    While I find his supporting arguments for this persuasive and    important when it comes to politics, overall I wonder about the    implications of such words, such devotion. It almost sounds    religious to me. Molyneux talks about the importance of    humility and self-doubt, but of this he is certain!  <\/p>\n<p>    Why the intensity of such conviction? In a related comment, Rachel Fulton    Brown, University of Chicago professor, interestingly argues    that:  <\/p>\n<p>      .the freedom of speech enshrined in our      national culture was established first and foremost as a      freedom to wrestle with religion. Freedom of speech means      little without this religious content, which is why cries for      contentless free speech are so vacuous.    <\/p>\n<p>    Versus Molyneux, I would argue that it is only in     cultures influenced by Christianity that you get the fruits    he so treasures.  <\/p>\n<p>    So where is the West, guided thusfar by Christian rails, going?    Will speech remain free? Is the artistic expression of a    florist speech that should be protected, and not extracted as a    mere product to be sold? Should local practices of    Christian-only prayer at public meetings be ruled    unconstitutional? (see yesterdays unanimous decision at the    Washington state Supreme Court and the decision by a    federal appeals court) Will    Christians remain free not only to believe what they want, but    to speak their faith in the public square? To practice it not    only on Sundays, but in public? What of their schools and    universities?  <\/p>\n<p>    And should we, like the Apostle Paul, insist on our    rights by fighting politically  at least to some degree? Or by    withdrawing in the hope of being strengthened to give an    answer for the hope that we have when the world is finally    ready to hear  and believe  again? This brings us to the    ideas of Rod Dreher, the cultural observer at the American Conservative and a thoughtful    Eastern Orthodox Christian. A few days ago, the well-known    Christian commentator Albert Mohler had Rod Dreher on his show    Thinking in Public to    talk about Drehers new book The Benedict Option.  <\/p>\n<p>    It was a    fascinating and informative conversation, and one which I would    recommend to everyone (I first talked about Drehers Benedict    Option a couples years ago     here).  <\/p>\n<p>    The conversation between the two men ended with the following    exchange, always a bit biting for folks like me (I need to hear    it though!):  <\/p>\n<p>      DREHER: The Lord gave me a second chance, and I would have      all your listeners realize that if theyve got their heads      buried in booksI love books, I write booksbut its no      substitute for the life of prayer and service.    <\/p>\n<p>      MOHLER: Well, a classical historic Protestant can only say      amen to that. Thank you, Rod, for this conversation; Im      deeply indebted to you.    <\/p>\n<p>    That said, earlier in the conversation both men had clearly    dealt with the importance of doctrine (note my bold in    particular):  <\/p>\n<p>      MOHLER: I read the articles that you wrote in the beginning,      frankly I follow your column very closely at the American      Conservative, and weve been watching you make this      argument out loud for some time. And reading the book, it      seems to me its significantly different than what I might      have expected in terms of some your early articles on the      Benedict Option, so let me just spell that out. You began by      saying youre not calling for us to head for the hillsyou      just used an illustration of heading for the hillsand as I      look at those early articles in the American      Conservative, it did appear you were calling, more or      lessand those are of course partial arguments, just a few      hundred wordsbut it appears you were calling to head for the      hills. Nuance that a bit in terms of where you are in the      book.    <\/p>\n<p>      DREHER: I appreciate the chance to clarify this, and in fact      my own thinking has been clarified through exchanges with my      readers, through talking with Catholics and evangelical      friends, and sort of working through these ideas. When people      hear, Head for the hills, they think, you know, to light      out for the mountains and build a compound and sit there and      wait for the end. I dont think were called to that. I know      Im not called to that; most people arent called to that.      But it does mean doing what these monks in Norcia did      initially. They were living right there in the town, but they      were behind monastery walls. What does that mean for us? It      means as lay Christians, we have to build some kind of walls      to separate ourselves from the world so that we can continue      to go out into the world and minister to people and be who      Christ asked us to be. The culture itself is so toxic and so      anti-Christian that were just not going to be able to make      it if we let anybody and anything come into our hearts, into      our imaginations. The monks in Norcia say, Were      called to be monks, but we cannot be for the pilgrims who      come to this monastery what Christ asked us to be if we dont      have that time away behind our walls for prayer and study and      work. I want to take that ethic and take it to lay Christian      life. We need to have, for example, Christian schools. Not to      shelter our kids from any bad idea that comes from the      outside, but in order for them to be nurtured and to build      that resilience within so when they do get out into the      world, they know who they are, they know what they believe      and why they believe it. And more importantly, they have      participated and built practices necessary to live out this      faith and to get the faith in their bones. Because if the      faith is only in your head, if its only a series of      arguments, youre not going to make it.    <\/p>\n<p>      MOHLER: You talk about a conversation, rather haunting      actually, at a Christian university or college campus where      the professors were telling you that so many Christian young      people come, and even though they basically hold to some      knowledge, genuine knowledge, of Christianity, its so      superficial that it tends not even to last very long inside      whats defined as a Christian college and university.    <\/p>\n<p>      DREHER: Thats true. I mean, the situation is horrible with      Catholics, but this conversation youre recalling was on an      evangelical campus and the professors were saying, We try      our best; we can only have these kids for four years. And      these are all kids who came out of evangelical schools and      evangelical churches. But this is the youth group culture.      All it gave them was emotion and having fun. And one of these      professors even said to me, You know, I doubt that most of      our kids are going to be able to form stable families. That      shocked me. I said, Whys that? He said, Because theyve      never seen it.    <\/p>\n<p>      MOHLER: I thought in reading that, once again, place still      matters a great dealand I mean place not just in terms of      geography, but that and social context and social      placementbecause I think of the students at our school and I      think the vast majority of them did see an intact family It      was still close enough to them, if they didnt come from it,      then they saw it. But even in talking with students, you      realize in concentric rings of their relationships, you get      just one ring out, and then not to mention two or three rings      out, and its very hard to find. And I think thats so well      documented in something like J.D. Vances work now. Where      once you would have thought that respect for family and a      traditional Christian morality and sexuality and all of that      wouldve been taken for granted, its now hard to find on the      ground.    <\/p>\n<p>      Lutheran Church  Missouri Synod President Matthew Harrison      shows off his copy of the Book of Concord.    <\/p>\n<p>    I do not fully share Rod Drehers attitude when it comes to how    we as Christians should engage the culture. That said, I can    certainly say Amen to this exchange above. Because, to ape    Molyneux, Jesus Christ is all that matters.  <\/p>\n<p>    When I look back at my own life, I have no idea why I am as    ferociously Christian  Lutheran  as I am. Not everyone    in my family has kept the faith I hold on to. I think, however,    that one thing that was very helpful for me was learning about    the history of the Lutheran Church. I am thankful that    I learned the content of Martin Luthers Small Catechism as a    child, but the importance of the words found therein really    changed for me when I learned about the 1580 Book of    Concord, otherwise known as the Lutheran    Confessions (not even reading Martin Luthers Large    Catechism in college really helped me like this did).  <\/p>\n<p>    Actually, not even that is the full truth. More accurately, the    Small Catechism became much more important to me    after I learned about the history of the church that    produced the Lutheran Confessions. For me, getting in    touch with the living history underlying the doctrines in the    Book of Concord was essential. As the Reformed    commentator Michael Horton likes to put it, the doctrine is in    the drama. One notes that this is definitely the case for the    churchs book, the Bible. We are creatures who hunger not just    for propositional truths, but the meaningful stories that    help situate the important things we should know.  <\/p>\n<p>    To that effect, I cant help but recommend some of the podcasts    Pastor Jordan Cooper has been doing on his show lately where he    digs into the Lutheran Confessions, giving a good deal    of background knowledge along the way. The Small    Catechism does indeed cover the core elements of the    Christian faith, and we can never get to the bottom of the    truths it contains. That said, as we mature and look to get our    bearings in life, I think that knowing more about Bible, church    history, and the history of the Reformation is critical in    these last days to ground us in the faith.  <\/p>\n<p>      An Introduction to Confessional      Christianity    <\/p>\n<p>            The Ecumenical Creeds and the Augsburg Confession    <\/p>\n<p>      The Apology of the Augsburg      Confession, Smalcald Articles, and Luthers Catechisms    <\/p>\n<p>            The Formula of Concord    <\/p>\n<p>      (Id also be remiss to point out that the fine show      Issues ETC. also has done many excellent shows on      the Book of Concord).    <\/p>\n<p>    And that, I think, cant not be good for any nation, including    ours.  <\/p>\n<p>      Now in a revised edition called How Christianity Changed the      World.    <\/p>\n<p>    FIN  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Images: Molyneux picture from Wikipedia Commons: This    file is licensed under the Creative    Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license ; Pastor Matthew    Harrison with BOC from    <a href=\"http:\/\/mercyjourney.blogspot.com\/2009\/04\/minnie-me-book-of-concord.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/mercyjourney.blogspot.com\/2009\/04\/minnie-me-book-of-concord.html<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Here is the original post:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/justandsinner\/want-save-free-speech-listen-rod-dreher-jordan-cooper-issues-etc-etc\/\" title=\"Want to Save Free Speech? 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