{"id":178241,"date":"2017-02-18T03:56:32","date_gmt":"2017-02-18T08:56:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/byron-york-25th-amendment-chatter-dems-pundits-mull-ways-to-washington-examiner\/"},"modified":"2017-02-18T03:56:32","modified_gmt":"2017-02-18T08:56:32","slug":"byron-york-25th-amendment-chatter-dems-pundits-mull-ways-to-washington-examiner","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fifth-amendment\/byron-york-25th-amendment-chatter-dems-pundits-mull-ways-to-washington-examiner\/","title":{"rendered":"Byron York: 25th Amendment chatter: Dems, pundits mull ways to &#8230; &#8211; Washington Examiner"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    As President Trump finishes his    fourth week in the White House, a number of opposition    lawmakers, political commentators, and self-styled members of    The Resistance are discussing ways in which the president might    be quickly removed from office.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some have talked about impeachment for quite a while, even    before the Trump inauguration. But that could take a long time,    and it would require Trump to commit, and then be charged with    and convicted of, \"treason, bribery, or other high crimes and    misdemeanors\" to meet the Constitution's standard for removing    the president from office.  <\/p>\n<p>    That's too long term, say some. So now, there is increasing    discussion of the 25th    Amendment. The 1967 amendment, which has its roots in the    Kennedy assassination, covers ways to replace an incapacitated    president. Up until now, its most-discussed provision was a    measure by which the president could inform the Speaker of the    House and the President pro tempore of the Senate that he, the    president, can no longer perform the duties of office,    whereupon those two officials would declare the vice president    the acting president, until such time as the president informed    them that he was again able to perform his duties. The    amendment has been used or considered for cases in which the    president underwent surgery or was under anesthesia.  <\/p>\n<p>    Now, however, The Resistance is looking at Section 4 of the    25th Amendment, which would allow the vice president and a    majority of cabinet officers, or the vice president and a    majority \"of such other body as Congress may by law provide,\"    to declare the president unable to serve, making the vice    president the acting president. If there is a disagreement     say, the president believes he is able to serve and the vice    president and a majority of the cabinet or the other body don't     then Congress decides who will be president. Here is the text    of that portion of the amendment:  <\/p>\n<p>    Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the    principal officers of the executive departments or of such    other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the    President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the    House of Representatives their written declaration that the    President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his    office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers    and duties of the office as Acting President.  <\/p>\n<p>    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro    tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of    Representatives his written declaration that no inability    exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office    unless the Vice President and a majority of either the    principal officers of the executive departments or of such    other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four    days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker    of the House of Representatives their written declaration that    the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of    his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue,    assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in    session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt    of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in    session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to    assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the    President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his    office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same    as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the    powers and duties of his office.  <\/p>\n<p>    Now, lawmakers are talking about the amendment. Democratic Rep.    Jackie Speier, a member of the House Intelligence Committee who    on Thursday evening told the BBC that the Trump-Russia affair    is \"as big as Watergate, if not bigger,\" said on Friday that    the 25th Amendment might be triggered if Trump doesn't \"act    presidential.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"The 25th Amendment is there to provide a backstop if in fact    the president becomes incapacitated,\" Speier told CNN Friday afternoon.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Do you believe he is incapacitated?\" asked anchor Brianna    Keilar.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Well, I think that we have got to be very careful,\" Speier    said. \"He needs to start acting presidential. He needs to start    recognizing that as president you don't go around and shoot    down the media, as if it's some kind of a game you're playing.    You don't take on people saying nasty things about them. You    don't take foreign leaders and hang up the phone with them or    besmirch them, as he has with some of the European leaders. I    mean, he has got to get a grip. And so the 25th Amendment is    there if a president becomes incapacitated.  <\/p>\n<p>      Also from the Washington Examiner    <\/p>\n<p>            Former head of the SEIU wants states to be allowed to            experiment to help workers' interests.          <\/p>\n<p>          02\/18\/17 1:52 AM        <\/p>\n<p>    Speier went on to describe the situation after Woodrow Wilson    suffered a stroke and Wilson's wife Edith served as something    of a de facto president. \"I don't think that Melania Trump is    in a position to do that,\" Speier said  an odd remark, given    that she was discussing the 25th Amendment's structure of    presidential succession.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"You are very serious about this?\" asked Keilar.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I'm serious about conveying to the president that he's got to    get serious,\" Speier answered. \"That we have efforts underway    around the globe attempting to exploit our dysfunction right    now. He's got to act presidential.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Speier is in no way the only person buzzing about the 25th    Amendment in these first weeks of the Trump administration.  <\/p>\n<p>    On Tuesday, Democratic Rep. Earl Blumenauer     announced he is forming \"a working group to clarify and    strengthen the 25th Amendment.\" \"Like many people, I've noticed    a renewed interest in the 25th Amendment as we've seen erratic    behavior out of the White House,\" Blumenauer said in a    statement. \"As I examined the amendment, it became clear that    in the case of mental or emotional incapacity, there is a    glaring flaw.\"  <\/p>\n<p>      Also from the Washington Examiner    <\/p>\n<p>            Congressional rules mean simply cutting taxes is not            the fallback solution that it might seem to be.          <\/p>\n<p>          02\/18\/17 1:20 AM        <\/p>\n<p>    That \"glaring flaw,\" Blumenauer explained, is this: What if the    president just fires those cabinet officers who believe he is    no longer fit to serve? What then? Blumenauer wants to clarify    how the \"such other body\" passage in the amendment would work.    And with Donald Trump in office, he wants    to start now.  <\/p>\n<p>    A growing number of pundits seem to agree. In a February 10    column, the Washington Post's Kathleen Parker     noted that it would take two years, until the election of a    Democratic Congress, before Trump could be impeached and    removed. But \"with luck,\" she wrote, \"there's chance we won't    have to wait two long years,\" because the drafters of the 25th    Amendment anticipated \"circumstances warranting a speedier    presidential replacement.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Aren't we there yet?\" asked Parker.  <\/p>\n<p>    Post blogger Jennifer Rubin has mentioned the 25th Amendment    repeatedly, noting on Feb. 15 that Trump has \"rais[ed]    questions about his own mental stability and the potential for    his removal from office (by impeachment, resignation or the    25th Amendment.)\"  <\/p>\n<p>    The day before, Rubin wrote that, \"If [Trump] does not    drastically and immediately alter his conduct and approach to    the job, lighthearted banter about impeachment or activation of    the 25th Amendment will become markedly more serious.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    On Feb. 6, Rubin wrote, in a column on what is up and what is    down in Trump's Washington: \"UP: Americans who now know what is    in the 25th Amendment.\" And on January 25  just five days into    Trump's presidency  Rubin wrote, generously, that \"We are not    calling  yet  for invocation of Section 4 of the 25th    Amendment.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    On Feb. 9, Time magazine just happened to publish a piece    headlined \"The 25th Amendment at 50 and What Happens if the    President Can't Do His Job,\" noting that \"the amendment has    become newly newsworthy in recent weeks.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    On Jan. 31, the New York Times' David Brooks     approvingly quoted Johns Hopkins professor and former    George W. Bush State Department official Eliot Cohen, who wrote    on January 29 that, \"It will not be surprising in the slightest    if [Trump's] term ends not in four or in eight years, but    sooner, with impeachment or removal under the 25th Amendment.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    In Cohen's     article, in The Atlantic, he wrote that Trump's presidency    \"will probably end in calamity,\" with the possibility of an end    hastened by the 25th Amendment. \"The sooner Americans get used    to these likelihoods, the better,\" Cohen wrote.  <\/p>\n<p>    Most of the 25th Amendment talk began at least a few days after    Trump's inauguration. But David Frum, the former George W. Bush    speechwriter, brought up the subject on Nov. 16  eight days    after the election. In a tweet that morning, Frum wrote:    \"Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Article 4. We're    all going to be talking a lot more about it in the months    ahead.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Indeed, months later, on Jan. 23, when Trump, during a    get-together with congressional leaders, reportedly briefly    mentioned his belief that millions of people voted illegally in    the election, Frum tweeted: \"Pro tip: when meeting w the people    who have the power to remove you under the 25th amendment, try    not to say anything glaringly insane.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    And now Democratic members of Congress are forming a group to    \"clarify and strengthen\" the 25th Amendment. What Blumenauer    and other may have in mind is to use the \"such other body as    Congress may by law provide\" passage to create a new way to    oust the president.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the cabinet is the group required to go along with the vice    president and decide that the president cannot perform his    duties  well, every one of those cabinet heads was appointed    by the president. They might be loyal to the man who gave them    their jobs, and therefore choose to keep him in office.  <\/p>\n<p>    Blumenauer anticipated that problem in his statement announcing    the working group. \"The amendment allows Congress to select    some 'other body' other than the cabinet to determine whether    the president is capable of discharging the duties required,    and remove him or her if necessary,\" the statement said. \"Yet,    this body is undefined, and there is no guidance for how it    should operate. After examining the issue, Blumenauer believes    living former presidents and vice presidents could constitute    the body.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    So what if Trump's fate depended on a majority vote of a group    composed of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, George    W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, George H.W. Bush,    Dan Quayle and Jimmy Carter? Blumenauer and The Resistance    would probably like their chances.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some Trump supporters will undoubtedly dismiss this as crazy    talk. But the one thing The Resistance has shown is that, even    though it was consistently wrong about Trump's chances in the    election, it is more determined than ever to prevail over him    eventually. And the 25th Amendment does give Congress the power    to designate an \"other body\" to decide, which means the    Constitution would not have to be amended to make such a    change.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yes, there are hurdles after hurdles in such an effort. The    vice president would have to be on board. Congress would have    to pass an \"other body\" measure by a veto-proof majority. It    seems impossible, and indeed it might be. But that won't stop    The Resistance from trying.  <\/p>\n<p>      Top Story    <\/p>\n<p>            Here are three Washington insiders who could refocus            the Trump White House.          <\/p>\n<p>          02\/18\/17 12:01 AM        <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read this article:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/byron-york-25th-amendment-chatter-dems-pundits-mull-ways-to-remove-trump\/article\/2615212\" title=\"Byron York: 25th Amendment chatter: Dems, pundits mull ways to ... - Washington Examiner\">Byron York: 25th Amendment chatter: Dems, pundits mull ways to ... - Washington Examiner<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> As President Trump finishes his fourth week in the White House, a number of opposition lawmakers, political commentators, and self-styled members of The Resistance are discussing ways in which the president might be quickly removed from office. 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