{"id":177666,"date":"2017-02-15T20:44:42","date_gmt":"2017-02-16T01:44:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/libertarians-and-pro-choice-advocates-peas-in-a-pod-patheos-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-02-15T20:44:42","modified_gmt":"2017-02-16T01:44:42","slug":"libertarians-and-pro-choice-advocates-peas-in-a-pod-patheos-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/libertarianism\/libertarians-and-pro-choice-advocates-peas-in-a-pod-patheos-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"Libertarians and Pro-Choice Advocates: Peas in a Pod &#8211; Patheos (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Recently somebody posted this on FB:  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    It sparked a fascinating conversation:  <\/p>\n<p>      Melody: Jesus was speaking to the individual, NOT the      government. If your so concerned about refugees, then YOU      need to get off your butt and go help them. Leave the safty      of your country and go help them. Im tired of people using      Jesus to justify more government control.    <\/p>\n<p>      Dan: You are incorrect and B16 in his encyclical Caritas in Veritate more      than denounces you. Then prior to that, there is PP and Mater et Magistra.    <\/p>\n<p>      You need to learn your faith.    <\/p>\n<p>      Melody: I know my Faith, I also know that The Catholic Faith      (plus others) teaches that it is the individual NOT the      government who is responsible for caring for humanity.    <\/p>\n<p>      Mary: Melody we dont need to do a thing about abortion. Its      an individual choice. Is this what you are saying?    <\/p>\n<p>      Liz: I came to the same conclusion, Mary.    <\/p>\n<p>    This is like a little microcosm of the American Church.    Melody has absorbed the strange libertarian lie that that    state is somehow free to ignore the natural law and do Whatever    because the natural law applies only to individuals. She,    of course, is thinking only of the gospel commands about care    for the least of these. And she relies on the lie that    things like food, shelter, and elementary demands of basic    justice to human beings are charity. She then proceeds    to the lie that since these things are charity they are no    business of the state.  <\/p>\n<p>    But in fact, things like food, shelter, and health care are not    charity. They are due human beings in justice and    ensuring justice is precisely the task of the state.    Therefore it is not either\/or, but both\/and. We are    to personally care for the least of these. We are also to    see to it that the state does too.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is ironically illustrated by Mary, who takes Melody at her    word and takes it to the conclusion the    anti-abortion-but-not-prolife right ever seems to realize by    pointing out that if the state is not supposed to help protect    the human right of the least of these, then it follows    that the whole point of the prolife struggle to get the state    to stop its laissez faire approach to abortion is without    foundation.  <\/p>\n<p>    The great irony here is that Liz, a pro-choice atheist who has    been rather shocked to discover she has a lot in common with a    bunch of devout, Mass-going Catholics with strong empathy for    the Catholic social justice tradition finds herself suddenly in    bed with Melody, a libertarian, anti-abortion-but-not-prolife    Catholic who mouths all the right wing excuses for ignoring the    Church on everything but abortion.  <\/p>\n<p>    I wrote them both and told them I hope they both feel    exquisitely uncomfortable being in bed with one another. Liz,    at any rate, has enough of a sense of humor to appreciate the    irony of her predicament. Melody I dont know and am not    sure if she even realizes that she just made the libertarian    case for every pro-choice person on planet Earth. But    Liz, I think, must realize that her pro-choice philosophy    undergirds the libertarian case for the selfishness Melody is    advocatinga selfishness Liz loathes.  <\/p>\n<p>    The way out of their strange bedfellows dilemma is, of course,    embrace of the complete and consistent Catholic ethic of life    and rejection of the libertarianism they each selectively    embrace.  <\/p>\n<p>    No idea what will happen next.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Continued here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/markshea\/2017\/02\/libertarians-pro-choice-advocates-peas-pod.html\" title=\"Libertarians and Pro-Choice Advocates: Peas in a Pod - Patheos (blog)\">Libertarians and Pro-Choice Advocates: Peas in a Pod - Patheos (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Recently somebody posted this on FB: It sparked a fascinating conversation: Melody: Jesus was speaking to the individual, NOT the government. If your so concerned about refugees, then YOU need to get off your butt and go help them.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/libertarianism\/libertarians-and-pro-choice-advocates-peas-in-a-pod-patheos-blog\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-177666","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-libertarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/177666"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=177666"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/177666\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=177666"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=177666"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=177666"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}