{"id":175143,"date":"2017-01-29T22:56:47","date_gmt":"2017-01-30T03:56:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/immortal-but-damned-to-hell-on-earth-the-atlantic\/"},"modified":"2017-01-29T22:56:47","modified_gmt":"2017-01-30T03:56:47","slug":"immortal-but-damned-to-hell-on-earth-the-atlantic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/mind-uploading\/immortal-but-damned-to-hell-on-earth-the-atlantic\/","title":{"rendered":"Immortal but Damned to Hell on Earth &#8211; The Atlantic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Imagine a supercomputer so advanced that it could hold the    contents of a human brain. The Google engineer Ray Kurzweil    famously believes that this will be possible by 2045. Organized    technologists are seeking    to transfer human personalities to non-biological carriers,    extending life, including to the point of immortality. My gut    says that theyll never get there. But say Im wrong. Were it    possible, would you upload the contents of your brain to a    computer before death, extending your conscious moments on this    earth indefinitely? Or would you die as your ancestors did,    passing into nothingness or an unknown beyond human    comprehension?  <\/p>\n<p>    The promise of a radically extended lifespan, or even    immortality, would tempt many. But it seems to me that theyd    be risking something very much like hell on earth.  <\/p>\n<p>    Their descendants might damn them to it.  <\/p>\n<p>    * * *  <\/p>\n<p>    Let us begin by noticing that justice, as most people presently    conceive it, permits or even requires that at least some crimes    be punished as far after the fact as is now possible. Take Hans    Lipschis, who had far-exceeded his life expectancy by 2013,    when the 93-year-old made headlines. He was living in    southwestern Germany at the time. Police arrested him there.    Prosecutors wanted to charge him with murders perpetrated seven    decades prior. He had served as a guard at Auschwitz.   <\/p>\n<p>    Now imagine an alternative scenario. Technology advances more    quickly than expected; an elderly Holocaust perpetrator uploads    his consciousness next year, before being found out;    then, five or six years from now, evidence of his crimes comes    to light. I suspect that a strong majority would favor    punishing him for his mass-murdering, and would quickly settle    on some alternative to physical incarceration. Perhaps the    consciousness would be denied new information, or the ability    to interact with others; or perhaps there would be some degree    of torment inflicted.  <\/p>\n<p>    For how long?  <\/p>\n<p>    With the consciousness of Adolf Hitler in our possession, 6    million years of disembodied punishment would still    constitute just one year for every murdered Jew.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet Ghengis Khan, who perpetrated all manner of atrocity less    than a millenia ago, would inspire some sympathy, I think, if    it were discovered that his contemporaries had imprisoned his    consciousness upon his death as punishment for mass murder.    Were he discovered in mental chains after eight centuries    of suffering, there would be demands for his release and    debates about applying morality across time. And utilitarians    would debate the consequences of his military victories across    the centuries. Perhaps hed be freed due to his unfathomably    long punishment and the fact that his victims seem so remote to    us. Or maybe hed be forgotten in prison, as is done to so many    individuals in our existing system.  <\/p>\n<p>    These are wild thought experiments, but with them I only mean    to illustrate a narrow point: Radical life extension would so    scramble and confound our normal notions of justice that    theres no telling how future Americans would react to the new    reality. Historic monsters might be punished for 6 million    years  or just three or four times longer than a 150-year    sentence a U.S. court imposed on this    obscure money-launderer. Its hard to speculate even when    confining ourselves to descendants of ours, in this country,    with moral codes closely resembling our own.  <\/p>\n<p>    In fact, it isnt clear how wed react right now.  <\/p>\n<p>    If todays Americans magically took custody of servers    containing the disembodied consciousnesses of every figure ever    mentioned in the countrys newspapers, going back to the    beginning, would we stop at punishing former Nazi leaders?    Would there be a protest movement to hold Native American    killers and slaveholders accountable? What about the folks    behind the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? Or the city leaders of    towns in the Jim Crow South that subjugated blacks?  <\/p>\n<p>    Answering as a thought experiment is comparatively easy.  <\/p>\n<p>    Future Americans will face countless actual controversies    just like those if whole generations start uploading    themselves. And it isnt outlandish to imagine futures where    the masses look at us with the disdain that we have for Bull    Connor and his analogs. Perhaps the Americans of 2215, with    their laboratory-grown synthetic meat, will look in horror at    those of us who had animals killed throughout our lives    in order to eat them. Maybe theyll regard a years punishment    per animal killed to be fair, with a 10-year enhancement for    animals kept in cruel conditions before death.  <\/p>\n<p>    Maybe everyone in the fossil-fuel era will be condemned to    punishments corresponding in length to the years of destruction    that we wrought on a fragile planet.  <\/p>\n<p>    Perhaps people who had abortions, or people who bore more than    two children, will find themselves in disfavor. Perhaps an    ISIS-like brand of sharia law will prevail, and most everyone    who uploaded their consciousness in the West will be tortured    for a millennia, until the course of history changes and new    rulers take control.  <\/p>\n<p>    Of course, its possible that future generations will be less    punitive than I imagine. But will that last forever? In any    case, humans will be forced to make a decision about whether to    upload their consciousnesses before knowing what the far future    holds.  <\/p>\n<p>    Admittedly, the living dont know the near future even today.  <\/p>\n<p>    Nuclear war could come tomorrow. Those of us who survive it    might spend the rest of our days in misery. But that misery    would be relatively short. Radical life extension via mind    uploads would seem to risk inconceivably long, possibly endless    misery. And this holds even if no future generation    deliberately inflicts that misery.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its hard to imagine a civilization of highly adept network    administrators who manage, century after century, to maintain    uncorrupted data and functioning equipment.  <\/p>\n<p>    But maybe theyll excel.  <\/p>\n<p>    So let us imagine inconceivably durable hardware that holds a    human consciousness. This computer is attached to a generator    that runs off of nuclear waste as it decays. Thus it is deep in    a vault in the earth, but attached to the rest of humanity via    cables. For 100 years, the disembodied mind revels in all she    can explore: the sum of human knowledge; every other uploaded    consciousness; and this universe of diverting data just keeps    expanding with every day.  <\/p>\n<p>    Then a super-volcano explodes.  <\/p>\n<p>    All embodied human life is extinguished. Most disembodied life    is destroyed too. But not the computer deep in the bunker of    nuclear waste. Its connections to other computers have been    severed. But the consciousness endures with nothing stored    locally save the original upload and McAfee anti-virus software    that no one could figure out how to uninstall. As time wears    on, this human endures the long twilight of the species on    earth: 15.7 million years imprisoned with herself until the    Iodine-I29 powering her computer is exhausted. As they    say, What a way to go!  <\/p>\n<p>    Strange as it may seem, the most important hedge for    those seeking immortality just might be declining radical life    extension unless theyre assured a suicide switch.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Originally posted here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/technology\/archive\/2015\/05\/immortal-but-damned-to-hell-on-earth\/394160\/\" title=\"Immortal but Damned to Hell on Earth - The Atlantic\">Immortal but Damned to Hell on Earth - The Atlantic<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Imagine a supercomputer so advanced that it could hold the contents of a human brain. The Google engineer Ray Kurzweil famously believes that this will be possible by 2045. Organized technologists are seeking to transfer human personalities to non-biological carriers, extending life, including to the point of immortality.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/mind-uploading\/immortal-but-damned-to-hell-on-earth-the-atlantic\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187745],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-175143","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-mind-uploading"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/175143"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=175143"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/175143\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=175143"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=175143"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=175143"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}