{"id":147066,"date":"2016-02-08T10:44:55","date_gmt":"2016-02-08T15:44:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.designerchildren.com\/atheism-creation-com\/"},"modified":"2016-02-08T10:44:55","modified_gmt":"2016-02-08T15:44:55","slug":"atheism-creation-com-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheism\/atheism-creation-com-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Atheism &#8211; creation.com"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    by Ken Ammi  <\/p>\n<p>    For many other articles on this topic, see     Atheism, agnosticism and humanism: godless religionsQuestions    and Answers  <\/p>\n<p>      Some atheists apparently dont like this video, A Fool's      Heart, but you can view it here. It recaps some of the      effects of anti-Christian atheistic\/evolutionary thinking in      recent times, beginning with Robespierre, a leader of the      French Revolution.    <\/p>\n<p>    There is confusion and debate about the term atheism and its    definition.  <\/p>\n<p>    The term atheism finds its etymology in the Greek combination    of a and theos. What atheos means is, as with any term,    subject to context (and perhaps personal interpretation). Note    that if an atheist states, I do not believe in God, this is    technically not a statement about Gods existence or lack    thereof. Does atheos mean no God, without God,    lack God belief or God does not exist?  <\/p>\n<p>    Early Christians were referred to as atheists because they    did not believe in the Greek or Roman gods. Yet, while they    positively affirmed the non-existence of those gods they likely    believed that those gods were deceptive demons whom they did    believe existed (1 Corinthians 8:46).  <\/p>\n<p>    Let us consider other Greek-derived a words:  <\/p>\n<p>    Generally, as popularized by the New Atheist movement, atheists    prefer the definition of atheism as lacking belief in    god(s). Thus, by applying the term atheist to themselves,    such atheists are not technically making a statement about    Gods existence or lack thereof.  <\/p>\n<p>    This definition has been popularized, at least, since Charles    Bradlaugh (circa 1876). It appears to be preferred so as to    escape the philosophic difficulty of proving a negativeGod    does not existand in order to shift the burden of proof to the    theist, since the theist is making the positive affirmation    that God exists.  <\/p>\n<p>    On a polemical note there are two things to consider:  <\/p>\n<p>    In reference to the above mentioned term agnostic, note that    Thomas Henry Huxley coined this term in 1869.1 He explained that he    noted two extremes: one was the atheist who positively affirmed    Gods non-existence (claiming to know that God did not exist)    and the other was the theists who positively affirmed Gods    existence (claiming to know that God exists). Huxley said that    he did not possess enough evidence to affirm positively either    position. Thus, he coined a term which he saw as a middle    position, which was that of lacking knowledge to decide either    way (whether such knowledge actually exists outside of his    personal knowledge or may someday be discovered is another    issue).  <\/p>\n<p>    As we will see next, there are various sects of atheism. There    is a vast difference between the friendly atheist next door and    the activists. Generally, even the activist types who are    typified by the New Atheist movement will define atheism as a    mere lack of belief in God. However, it is important to note    that their activism demonstrates that their atheism is anything    but mere lack: it is an anti-religion, anti-faith and    anti-God movement.  <\/p>\n<p>    1.1 Variations of Atheism  <\/p>\n<p>    Atheists may be categorized under various technical terms as    well as sociopolitical and cultural ones, which may overlap    depending on the individual atheists preferences:  <\/p>\n<p>    Some atheists claim that atheism is a religion3 and others have    attempted to establish secular\/civic\/atheistic religions which    we will elucidate below.  <\/p>\n<p>    Michael Shermer, editor of The Skeptic magazine, draws    a distinction between the atheist who claims, there is no God    and the non-theist who claims to have no belief in    God.4  <\/p>\n<p>    As to the sociopolitical and\/or cultural terms, these abound    and some are: Brights, Freethinkers, Humanists,    Naturalists, Rationalists, Skeptics, Secular Humanists and    Materialists.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some atheists squabble about terminology. For example,    American Atheists webmaster wrote, Atheists are NOT secular    humanists, freethinkers, rationalists or ethical    culturalists  Often, people who are Atheists find it useful    to masquerade behind such labels5 while the Freedom    from Religion Foundation, claims that, Freethinkers include    atheists, agnostics and rationalists.6  <\/p>\n<p>    Return to top  <\/p>\n<p>    By nature worship and neo-paganism I refer to the atheists    tendency to replace a sense of awe of God and seeking    transcendence by relating to God with seeking awe and    transcendence in nature. This natural high, as it were, is not    merely enjoyed but it is enjoined and said to be holier than    theism.  <\/p>\n<p>    Referring to our ability to step off the Earth and look back    at ourselves, as was done in Voyager 2, Carl Sagan    stated,  <\/p>\n<p>    The very first episode of his televised series entitled    Cosmos, began with Carl Sagan stating,  <\/p>\n<p>    Presupposing a God-free reality, why atheists seek transcendent    experiences remains unanswered.  <\/p>\n<p>    Michael Shermer stated that his study of evolution was, far    more enlightening and transcendent, spiritual, than anything I    had experienced in seven years of being a born again    Christian.8  <\/p>\n<p>    Michael Shermer made reference to the spiritual side of    science, which he referred to as sciensuality:  <\/p>\n<p>    Michael Ruse; philosophy professor (University of Guelph),    ardent evolutionist and professedly an ex-Christian who has    argued for the ACLU against the balanced treatment (of    creation and evolution in schools) bill in the USA, wrote:  <\/p>\n<p>    Addressing fellow atheist Jonathan Miller, Richard Dawkins stated:  <\/p>\n<p>      you and I probably do have  feelings that may very well be      akin to a kind of mystical wonder when we contemplate the      stars, when we contemplate the galaxies, when we contemplate      life, the sheer expanse of geological time. I experience, and      I expect you experience, internal feelings which sound pretty      much like um, what mystics feel, and they call it God. Ifand      Ive been called a very religious person for that reasonif I      am called a religious person, then my retort to that is,      Well, youre playing with words, because what the vast      majority of people mean by religious is something utterly      different from this sort of transcendent, mystical experience      [  ]    <\/p>\n<p>      The transcendent sense  the transcendent, mystic sense,      that people who are both religious and non-religious in my      usage of the term, is something very very different. In that      sense, I probably am a religious person. You probably are a      religious person. But that doesnt mean we think that there      is a supernatural being that interferes with the world, that      does anything, that manipulates anything, or by the way, that      its worth praying to or asking forgiveness of sins from,      etc. [  ]    <\/p>\n<p>      I prefer to use words like religion, like God, in the way      that the vast majority of people in the world would      understand them, and to reserve a different kind of language      for the feeling that we share with possibly your clergyman [       ] the sense of wonder that one gets as a scientist      contemplating the cosmos, or contemplating mitochondria is      actually much grander than anything that you will get by      contemplating the traditional objects of religious      mysticism.11      [the un-bracketed ellipses appear in the original transcript      denoting Richard Dawkins halting way of speaking, the      bracketed ones were added]    <\/p>\n<p>    Richard Dawkins, in     Is Science a Religion? said,  <\/p>\n<p>    Stephen S. Hall, in     Darwins Rottweiler Sir Richard Dawkins: Evolutions Fiercest    Champion, Far Too Fierce, said:  <\/p>\n<p>    Such sentiments appear to be fulfillments of the Apostle Pauls    reference to:  <\/p>\n<p>    Return to top  <\/p>\n<p>    2.1 Atheist religion  <\/p>\n<p>    Let us consider the atheists from the 18th to the    21st centu<br \/>\nries who express desires to establish an    atheistic religion. Perhaps    we should begin with Jean-Jacques Rousseau (17121778), who    conceived of a civil religion:  <\/p>\n<p>    Two other notable 18th century attempts are Claude Henri de    Rouvroy, Comte de Saint-Simon (17601825) who conceived of a    new Christianity which would be founded upon Humanism and    scientific socialism. The secular priesthood would consist of    scientists, philosophers and engineers. Lastly, Auguste Comte    (17981857) conceived of a religion of humanity.  <\/p>\n<p>      In atheism, when we die we end up as mere fertilizer; plant      food. Human life has no particular meaning or purpose and      there is no real basis for ethics, love or even logical      thought. Atheism provides no footing for a just, caring and      secure society.    <\/p>\n<p>    Forwarding to the 21st century we will consider Gary    Wolfs interview with Sam Harris:  <\/p>\n<p>    Gary Wolfs interview with Daniel Dennett:  <\/p>\n<p>    Sam Harris,     Selfless Consciousness without Faith:  <\/p>\n<p>    Sam Harris,     A Contemplative Science:  <\/p>\n<p>    ABC Radio National,     Stephen Crittenden interviews Sam Harris:  <\/p>\n<p>    Sam Harris,     Science Must Destroy Religion:  <\/p>\n<p>    Sam Harris,     Rational Mysticism:  <\/p>\n<p>    Humanist Manifesto I (1933) states,  <\/p>\n<p>    Return to top  <\/p>\n<p>    There may be as many reasons that people choose atheism as    there are individuals who make that choice. These range from    philosophy or science to emotion or rebellion and various    combinations of such factors.  <\/p>\n<p>    Prominent Argentinean hyperrealism artist, Helmut Ditsch,    retells part of his upbringing:  <\/p>\n<p>    Joe Orso, writing on the origin of beliefs, interviewed atheist    Ira Glass, who said:  <\/p>\n<p>    Note carefully the words of Thomas Nagel (B.Phil., Oxford;    Ph.D., Harvard), Professor of Philosophy and Law, University    Professor, and Fiorello La Guardia Professor of Law. He    specializes in Political Philosophy, Ethics, Epistemology, and    Philosophy of Mind. He is a Fellow of the American Academy of    Arts and Sciences and a Fellow of the British Academy, and has    held fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National    Science Foundation, and the National Endowment for the    Humanities:  <\/p>\n<p>          I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact          that some of the most intelligent and well-informed          people I know are religious believersThomas Nagel        <\/p>\n<p>    Consider the following words of Isaac Asimov, one of the most    prolific scientific writers of the last century:  <\/p>\n<p>    Gary Wolf , contributing editor to Wired magazine,    includes himself in the following description: we lax    agnostics, we noncommittal nonbelievers, we vague deists who    would be embarrassed to defend antique absurdities like the    Virgin Birth or the notion that Mary rose into heaven without    dying, or any other blatant myth. He wrote:  <\/p>\n<p>      At dinner parties or over drinks, I ask people to declare      themselves. Who here is an atheist? I ask.      Usually, the first response is silence, accompanied by      glances all around in the hope that somebody else will speak      first. Then, after a moment, somebody does, almost always a      man, almost always with a defiant smile and a tone of      enthusiasm. He says happily, I am!    <\/p>\n<p>      But it is the next comment that is telling. Somebody turns      to him and says: You would be.    <\/p>\n<p>      Why? Because you enjoy [irritating] people .... Well,      thats true.    <\/p>\n<p>      This type of conversation takes place not in central Ohio,      where I was born, or in Utah, where I was a teenager, but on      the West Coast, among technical and scientific people,      possibly the social group that is least likely among all      Americans to be religious.13    <\/p>\n<p>          Thus, we find various motivating factors which lead to          atheism and have absolutely nothing to do with science or          intellect.        <\/p>\n<p>    Thus, we find various motivating factors which lead to atheism    and have absolutely nothing to do with science or intellect.  <\/p>\n<p>    Paul Vitz, Professor of Psychology at New York University, made    a fascinating study of the lives of some of the most    influential atheists. In his book Faith of the Fatherless:    the Psychology of Atheism he concluded that these persons    rejected God because they rejected their own fathers. This was    due to their poor relationships with their fathers, or due to    their fathers absence, or due to their rebellion against their    fathers.20 Along this line of research, it would    be interesting to consider the effect that the death of friends    and family has had on the rejection of God. From Charles Darwin    to Ted Turner the death of friends and family has played a    part.  <\/p>\n<p>    Gary Wolf noted,  <\/p>\n<p>    The Associated Press reported on an interview with Ted    Turner published in The New Yorker: 22  <\/p>\n<p>    Tony Snow, who was the White House Press Secretary in    2006\/2007, and was a Christian, died of cancer in July 2008. He    wrote an essay entitled, Cancers Unexpected    Blessings.23 Consider, in contrast, how a    God-centered person dealt with his own impending death:  <\/p>\n<p>    In contrast, consider the words of atheist William Provine,    professor of the history of science at Cornell University:  <\/p>\n<p>    With regards to his own cancer, a brain tumor, Provine has    stated that he would shoot himself in the head if his brain    tumor returned.25 Apparently, one less bio-organism is    irrelevant in an absolutely materialistic world.<\/p>\n<p>    3.1 Natural born Atheist  <\/p>\n<p>            Another reason for rejecting God (choosing atheism), is            a willing acceptance of satanic deception.          <\/p>\n<p>            The angel Lucifer (luminous one) fell and became            Satan (adversary) due to his desire to supplant God.            This was Lucifers single-minded obsession.          <\/p>\n<p>            He not only rejected God by attempting to supplant Him,            but he urged humans to do likewise. Satan urged Eve to            choose against God for her own self-fulfilment:          <\/p>\n<p>            He said to the woman, Did God actually say, You shall            not eat of any tree in the garden? And the woman said            to the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees            in the garden, but God said, You shall not eat of the            fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden,            neither shall you touch it, lest you die. But the            serpent said to the woman, You will not surely die.            For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be            opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and            evil. (Genesis 3:1-5 ESV).          <\/p>\n<p>            The tactic is clear: firstly, question Gods            statements, then, contradict Gods statements and,            finally, urge rebellion in seeking equality with God.          <\/p>\n<p>            This manifests in atheists as          <\/p>\n<p>            This satanic deception appeals strongly to atheists as            it bolsters two of their desired delusions: 1) absolute            autonomybeing free to do as they please, and 2) the            lack of ultimate accountabilitythere are no eternal            consequences for doing as they please.          <\/p>\n<p>    A subset of the question of why some people choose atheism is    the atheist claim that we are all natural born atheists. In    part this is incumbent upon which definition of    atheism we are employing. Obviously, we are not born    positively asserting Gods non-existence. Thus, the claim is    that we are all born lacking a belief in God. Logically, this    claim is accurate only at this point and is actually not    successfully applicable beyond this point.  <\/p>\n<p>    Atheists who make this argument claim that this argument    demonstrates that man is not God-made but that God is man-made.    In other words, they claim that we only believe i<br \/>\nn God because    someone taught us to believe in God, often during childhood    before we were able to consider the claim rationally. Yet, this    claim is faulty on many levels, for example:  <\/p>\n<p>    We are born knowing nothing at all and must be taught, and    later take it upon ourselves to learn, anything and everything    that we will ever know or believe, including atheism.  <\/p>\n<p>    We are natural-born bed wetters but that does not mean that we    should remain that way.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is ultimately a form of the logically fallacious ad    hominem (to the man). This fallacy occurs when what is    supposed to be a counterargument attacks the person, the source    of the original argument, while leaving the argument    unanswered. Thus, just because belief in God is something that    is taught does not discredit belief in God. It would be    fallacious to claim that God does not exist because human    beings invented the idea of Gods existenceGod wants us to    discover His existence: you will seek    Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your    heart (Jeremiah 29:13).  <\/p>\n<p>    Furthermore, this claim does not consider that many people came    to believe in God in adulthood and having come from a    completely secular (atheistic) upbringing.  <\/p>\n<p>    Although, perhaps we could grant the claim: if atheists want to    argue that atheism requires no more intellect than that which    an infant can muster, why should we argue?  <\/p>\n<p>    Return to top  <\/p>\n<p>    Here is a video debate between an atheist and the author of    this article: Morality:    natural or supernatural?  <\/p>\n<p>    Technically, ethics refers to what should be and    morals to what is or; prescription and    description. Atheists differ on the issue of ethics    and morality; some claim that there are absolutes and some do    not. As to the question of whether atheists can make absolute    moral statements, this is tantamount to the first year theology    student who, when asked, Do you believe in infant baptism?    responded, Sure I do; Ive seen it done. Yes, atheists can    make any statements about anything at allthe question is:    are the statements viable?  <\/p>\n<p>    Atheists make epistemic statements about morality but do not    provide an ontological premise for ethics.26 That is to say that    they can muse upon issues of morality and come to any    conclusion that they please. However, these turn out to be    arbitrary personal preferences that are expressed as dogmatic    assertions.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some atheists do make attempts at providing an ontological    basis for ethics. These range quite widelyfrom considering the    behavior of apes to Game Theory.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the first case, it is, of course, being presupposed that we    share a common evolutionary lineage with apes and that their    behavior tells us something about ours. Even when such    observations successfully correlate their behaviors to ours, it    is merely a description. Moreover, from such correlations it is    inferred that morality is part of our overall evolution. This    amounts to intuition or urges which we are free to act upon or    disregard.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the second case investigators concoct games that    they claim dissect human behavior. With regards to Game    Theory, Benjamin Wiker notes,  <\/p>\n<p>    Another supposed basis for ethics is that an action is    unethical\/immoral if it causes harm to others. Thus, it is the    nature of the consequence caused by the action that determines    whether an action is ethical or unethical. The fundamental    problem with this definition of ethical behavior is that an    action ceases to be unethical if no adverse consequences are    experienced. As such, nothing is inherently wrong; an action is    only wrong if it causes harm to another.  <\/p>\n<p>    Consider the example of adulterous behavior: under the do no    harm definition of ethical behavior, adultery is wrong because    it harms the other party in the marriage (i.e., the faithful    spouse). This harm can include mental anguish, the spread of    disease to the faithful party and the loss of affection from    the adulterous party. An additional adverse consequence    includes unwanted pregnancies outside of the marriage. However,    what if an adulterous act did not lead to those outcomes (e.g.,    a husband, who has had a vasectomy, occasionally has sexual    relations with women free from sexually transmitted diseases    while on trips to foreign cities)? In such an instance would    adultery cease being unethical? Would the husbands behavior    turn from ethically neutral to unethical only if he were to    confess his adultery to his wife, or if he was otherwise    caught, thus causing her mental anguish?  <\/p>\n<p>    It seems that there is something else behind, or beyond, the    consideration of causing harm. In fact, there must be something    else. Why must there be something else? Because it is precisely    by knowing that which causes others harm that I may come to    know how to push their buttons, how to manipulate them, how to    take advantage of them, how to suppress them, etc. I may find    that I can assist my survival by causing such harm to others    and so, on this view, their harm is for my benefit. There must    be something beyond that which makes causing harm itself    unethical.  <\/p>\n<p>    An ethical code based on God is determined by Gods    communication to man of what is ethical and unethical. This is    because Gods ethical code to us is derived from Gods very    triune, relational, ethical nature. This nature is ethical and    relational as it is unified by virtue of God consisting of one    in being and yet, diverse as it is experienced and enjoyed    amongst the three persons of the Trinity. Under such an ethical    code, and in contrast to any Godless moral code, a given action    such as adultery is still wrong even in absence of adverse    consequences to another party. Thus, under a God-authored    ethical code some actions are inherently wrong.  <\/p>\n<p>    Furthermore, the atheist has no basis for saying that it is    wrong to harm others anyway. Why should it be wrong to    harm others? This supposed basis for ethics fails at this very    point.  <\/p>\n<p>    Let us consider some atheists statements about morality:  <\/p>\n<p>    Dan Barker, co-founder of the Freedom    from Religion Foundation, claims that, Darwin has    bequeathed what is good and refers to Jesus as a moral    monster.28 He includes the following within his    understanding of Darwinian goodness,  <\/p>\n<p>    This appears to be in keeping with his general view on human    worth, value and dignity, a fetus thats the size of a thumb    that haswhat? What? Would you put it in a little locket and    hang it around your neck?30  <\/p>\n<p>    Dan Barker has also stated, There is no moral interpreter in    the cosmos, nothing cares and nobody cares and he bases his    humanistic morality upon his reasoning whether, it will    ultimately matter what happens to us or a vegetable:   what    happens to me or a piece of broccoli, it wont. The Sun is    going to explode, were all gonna be gone. No ones gonna    care.31  <\/p>\n<p>    He does not seem to consider that the fact that the concept    which holds that There is no moral interpreter in the cosmos,    nothing cares and nobody cares  were all gonna be gone. No    ones gonna care, quite logically and easily, leads to    inhumane immorality.  <\/p>\n<p>    Dan Barker has further stated:  <\/p>\n<p>    Dan Barker has also offered motivating factors for moral    actions that are quite common within atheist thoughtthese are    self-serving motivations, whereby one should be good not for    goodness sake but in order to benefit oneself, for example,  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read the rest here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/creation.com\/atheism\" title=\"Atheism - creation.com\">Atheism - creation.com<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> by Ken Ammi For many other articles on this topic, see Atheism, agnosticism and humanism: godless religionsQuestions and Answers Some atheists apparently dont like this video, A Fool's Heart, but you can view it here. 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