{"id":145932,"date":"2015-08-15T15:09:27","date_gmt":"2015-08-15T19:09:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.designerchildren.com\/cryonics-rationalwiki\/"},"modified":"2015-08-15T15:09:27","modified_gmt":"2015-08-15T19:09:27","slug":"cryonics-rationalwiki","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/cryonics\/cryonics-rationalwiki\/","title":{"rendered":"Cryonics &#8211; RationalWiki"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Cryonics is the practice of freezing clinically dead    people in liquid nitrogen with the hope of future reanimation.    Presently-nonexistent sufficiently advanced nanotechnology or mind    uploading are the favored methods envisioned for revival.  <\/p>\n<p>    Scientists will admit that some sort    of cryogenic preservation and revival does not provably violate    known physics. But    they stress that, in practical terms, freezing and reviving    dead humans is so far off as to hardly be worth taking    seriously; present cryonics practices are speculation at best,    and quackery and    pseudoscience at worst.  <\/p>\n<p>    Nevertheless, cryonicists will accept considerable amounts of    money right now for procedures based only on vague    science    fiction-level speculations, with no scientific evidence    whatsoever that any of their present actions will help achieve    their declared aims. They sincerely consider this an obviously    sensible idea that one would have to be stupid not to sign up    for.  <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonics should not be confused with cryobiology (the    study of living things and tissues at low temperatures),    cryotherapy (the use of cold in medicine) or    cryogenics (subjecting things to cold temperatures in    general).  <\/p>\n<p>          That is not dead which can          eternal lie.          And with strange aeons even death may die.        <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonics enthusiasts will allow that a person is    entirely dead when they reach \"information-theoretic    death,\" where the information that makes up their mind is    beyond recovery.  <\/p>\n<p>    The purpose of freezing the recently dead is to stop chemistry.    This is intended to allow hypothetical future science and    technology to recover the information in the frozen cells and    repair them or otherwise reconstruct the person, or at least    their mind. We have literally no idea how to do the revival now    or how it might be done in the future  but cryonicists believe    that scientific and technological progress will, if sustained    for a sufficient time, advance to the point where the    information can be recovered and the mind restarted, in a body    (for those who see cryonics as a medical procedure) or a    computer running an emulator (for the transhumanists).  <\/p>\n<p>    Most of the problems with cryonics relate to the massive    physical damage caused by the freezing process.  <\/p>\n<p>    Robert Ettinger, a teacher of physics and mathematics, published The Prospect of    Immortality in 1964. He then founded the Cryonics Institute    and the related Immortalist Society. Ettinger was inspired by    \"The Jameson Satellite\" by Neil R. Jones (Amazing    Stories, July 1931).[1] Lots of    science fiction fans and early transhumanists then seized upon    the notion with tremendous enthusiasm.  <\/p>\n<p>    Corpses were being frozen in liquid nitrogen by the early    1960s, though only for cosmetic preservation. The first person    to be frozen with the aim of revival was James Bedford, frozen    in early 1967. Bedford remains frozen (at Alcor) to this day.  <\/p>\n<p>    New hope came with K. Eric Drexler's Engines of    Creation, postulating nanobots as a mechanism for    cell repair, in 1986. That Drexlerian nanobots are utterly    impossible has not affected cryonics advocates' enthusiasm for    them in the slightest, and they remain a standard proposed    revival mechanism.[2]  <\/p>\n<p>    A major advance in tissue preservation came in the late 1990s    with vitrification, where chemicals are added to the tissue so    as to allow it to freeze as a glass rather than as ice    crystals. This all but eliminated ice crystal damage, at the    cost of toxicity of the chemicals.  <\/p>\n<p>    Upon his death in 2011, Ettinger himself was stored at the    Cryonics Institute in Detroit, the 106th person to be stored    there. In all, over 200 people have been \"preserved\" around the    world as of 2011. [3] There are    about 2000 living people presently signed up with Alcor or the    Cryonics Institute  the cryonics subculture is very    small for its cultural impact.  <\/p>\n<p>          Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who          knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here          is only mostly dead. There's a big difference          between mostly dead and all dead.        <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonics for dead humans currently consists of a ritual that    many find reminiscent of those performed by practitioners of    the world's major religions:  <\/p>\n<p>    As the Society for Cryobiology put it:  <\/p>\n<p>          The Society does, however,          take the position that cadaver freezing is not science.          The knowledge necessary for the revival of whole mammals          following freezing and for bringing the dead to life does          not currently exist and can come only from conscientious          and patient research in cryobiology, biology, chemistry,          and medicine.        <\/p>\n<p>    In the US, cryonics is legally considered an extremely    elaborate form of burial,[4] and cannot be    performed on someone who has not been declared medically dead.    You are declared dead and your fellow cryonicists swoop in to    preserve you as quickly as possible.  <\/p>\n<p>    The body, or just the head, is given large doses of    anti-clotting drugs, as well as being infused with    cryoprotectant chemicals to allow vitrification. It is then    frozen by being put into a bath of liquid nitrogen at -196C.    At this temperature chemical reactions all but stop.  <\/p>\n<p>    Long-term memory is stored in physical form in the neural    network as proteins accumulated at a chemical synapse to change    the strength of the interconnection between neurons. So if you    freeze the brain without crystals forming, the information may    not be lost. As such. Hopefully. Though we have no idea    if current cryonics techniques preserve the physical and    chemical structure in sufficient detail to recover the    information even in principle. Samples look good, though    working scientists with a strong interest in preserving the    information disagree.[5]  <\/p>\n<p>    Recovering the information is another matter. We have    not even the start of an idea how to get it back out again. No    revival method is proposed beyond \"one day we will be able to    do anything!\" Some advocates literally propose a    magic-equivalent future    artificial superintelligence that will make everything    better as the universal slam-dunk counterargument to all    doubts.[6]  <\/p>\n<p>    Ben Best, CEO of    the Cryonics Institute, supplies in Scientific Justification    of Cryonics Practice[7] a list of    cryobiology findings that suggest that cryonicists might not be    completely wrong; however, this paper (contrary to the promise    of its title) also contains a liberal admixture of \"then a    miracle occurs.\" His assertions as to what cited papers say    also vary considerably from what the cited papers' abstracts    state.  <\/p>\n<p>    Alcor Corporation calls cryonics \"a scientific approach to    extending human life\" and compares it to heart surgery.[8] This is a    gross misrepresentation of the state of both the science    and technology and verges on both pseudoscience and quackery.    Alcor also has a tendency to use invented pseudomedical    terminology in its suspension reports.[9][10]  <\/p>\n<p>    Keeping the head or entire body at -196C stops chemistry, but    the freezing process itself causes massive physical    damage to the cells. The following problems (many of which are    acknowledged by cryonicists[11]) would    all need to be solved to bring a frozen head or body    back to life. Many would need breakthroughs not merely in    engineering, but in scientific understanding itself, which we    simply cannot predict.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is the big problem. The two existing cryonics facilities    are charities with large operational expenses run by obsessive    enthusiasts. They are small and financially shaky.[20][21] In 1979, the    Chatsworth facility (Cryonics Company of California, run by    Robert Nelson) ran out of money and the frozen bodies    thawed.[22][23] The cryonics    movement as a whole was outraged and facility operators are    much more careful these days. But it's an expensive    business to operate as a charity.  <\/p>\n<p>    The more general problem is that many cryonicists are libertarians and, unsurprisingly, have proven    rather bad at putting together highly social nonprofits    designed well enough to work in society on timescales of    decades, let alone centuries. The movement has severe and    obvious financial problems  the cash flows just aren't    sustainable, and Alcor relies on occasional large donations    from rich members to make up the deficit.[24][25]  <\/p>\n<p>    Insurance companies are barely willing to consider cryonics.    You will have to work rather hard to find someone to even sell    you the policy. There are, however, cryonicist insurance agents    who specialise in the area.[26]  <\/p>\n<p>    Of the early frozen corpses, only James Bedford remains, due to    tremendous effort on the part of his surviving relatives.    Though they didn't do anything to alleviate ice crystals, so    his remains are likely just broken cell mush by now.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are many medical issues connected with reanimation, but    it is worth pointing out that a reanimated person faces    numerous non-medical issues after returning to society. These    might include:  <\/p>\n<p>    All of these could cause the person great social, not to    mention psychological, problems after revival. The person may    also experience identity crisis or delusions of grandeur.  <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonics, in various forms, has become a theme in science    fiction,[27], either as a serious plot device    (The Door into Summer, the Alien tetralogy), or a    source of humor (Futurama, Sleeper). Its usual    job is one-way time travel, the cryonics itself being    handwaved (as you are allowed to do in science fiction, though    not in reality) as a pretext for one of various Rip Van Winkle    scenarios.  <\/p>\n<p>    As a fictional concept, \"cryogenics\" generally refers to a    not-yet-invented form of suspended animation rather than    present-day cryonics, in that the worst technical issue to be    resolved (if at all) in the far future is either aging, or the    cause of death\/whatever killed you.  <\/p>\n<p>    Timothy    Leary, the famous LSD-dropper, was famously interested in the \"one in a    thousand\" chance of revival and signed up with Alcor soon after    it opened.[28] Eventually, though, the    cryonicists themselves creeped him out so much[29] he opted for cremation.[30]  <\/p>\n<p>    Walt Disney, who is cited in urban legend as having had his    head or body frozen, died in December 1966, a few weeks before    the first cryonic freezing process in early 1967.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hall of Fame baseball player and all-time Red Sox great Ted    Williams was frozen after he died in 2002. A nasty fight broke    out between his oldest children, who had a will saying he    wished to be cremated, and his youngest son John-Henry who    produced an informal family agreement saying he was to be    frozen. This resulted in a macabre family feud for much of the    summer of 2002. Williams was eventually frozen.[31]  <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonics is not considered a part of cryobiology, and    cryobiologists consider cryonicists nuisances. The Society for    Cryobiology banned cryonicists from membership in 1982,    specifically those \"misrepresenting the science of cryobiology,    including any practice or application of freezing deceased    persons in anticipation of their reanimation.\"[32] As they put it in an official    statement:  <\/p>\n<p>          The act of freezing a dead          body and storing it indefinitely on the chance that some          future generation may restore it to life is an act of          faith, not science.        <\/p>\n<p>    The Society's planned statement was actually considerably toned    down (it originally called cryonics a \"fraud\") after threats of    litigation from Mike Darwin of Alcor.[33]  <\/p>\n<p>    It can be difficult to find scientific critics willing to    bother detailing why they think what the cryonics industry does    is silly.[34] Mostly, scientists consider that    cryonicists are failing to acknowledge the hard, grinding work    needed to advance the several sciences and technologies that    are prerequisites for their goals.[17] Castles in the air are    a completely acceptable, indeed standard, part of turning    science fiction into practical technology, but you do have to    go through the brick-by-brick slog of building the foundations    underneath. Or, indeed, inventing the grains of sand each brick    is made of. (Some cryonicists are cryobiologists and so are    personally putting in the hard slog needed to get there.)  <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonicists, like many technologists, also frequently    show arrogant ignorance of fields not their own  not just    sciences[35] but even    directly-related medicine[36][37]  leaving people in those fields    disinclined to take them seriously.  <\/p>\n<p>    William T. Jarvis, president of the National Council    Against Health Fraud, said, \"Cryonics might be a suitable    subject for scientific research, but marketing an unproven    method to the public is quackery.\"[38] Mostly,    doctors ignore cryonics and consider it a nice, but expensive,    long shot.  <\/p>\n<p>    Demographically, cryonics advocates tend to intersect strongly    with transhumanists and singularitarians:    almost all well-educated, mostly male  to the point where the    phrase \"hostile wife syndrome\" is commonplace[39]  mostly atheist or agnostic but    with some being religious, and disproportionately involved in    mathematics, computers, or physics.[40] Belief in    cryonics is pretty much required on LessWrong to be accepted as    \"rational.\"[41]  <\/p>\n<p>    Hardly any celebrities have signed up to be frozen in hopes of    being brought back to life in the distant future.[42] (This may be a net win.)  <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonicists are some of the smartest people you will    ever meet and provide sterling evidence that humans are    just monkeys with shiny toys, who mostly use intelligence to    implement stupidity faster and better.  <\/p>\n<p>    When arguing their case, cryonics advocates tend to conflate    non-existent technologies that might someday be plausible with    science-fiction-level speculation, and speak of \"first, achieve    the singularity\" as if it were a minor detail    that will just happen, rather than a huge amount of work by a    huge number of people working out the many, many tiny details.  <\/p>\n<p>    The proposals and speculations are so vague as to be pretty    much unfalsifiable. Solid objection to a    speculation is met with another speculation that may (but does    not necessarily, or sometimes even probably) escape the    problem. You will find many attempts to reverse the    burden    of proof and demand that you prove a given speculation    isn't possible. Answering can involve trying to compress a    degree in biology into a few paragraphs.[35] Most cryonicists'    knowledge of biology appears severely deficient.  <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonicists also tend to assert unsupported high probabilities    for as-yet nonexistent technologies and as-yet nonexistent    science.[43][44][45] Figures are    derived on the basis of no evidence at all, concerning the    behaviour of systems we've built nothing like and therefore    have no empirical understanding of  they even assert    probabilities of particular as-yet unrealised scientific    breakthroughs occurring. (Saying \"Bayesian!\" is apparently sufficient    support with no further working being shown under any    circumstances.) If someone gives a number or even says the word    \"probable,\" ask them to show their working.  <\/p>\n<p>    One must also take care to make very precise queries,    distinguishing between, \"Is some sort of cryogenic suspension    and revival not theoretically impossible with as yet unrealised    future technologies?\" and \"Is there any evidence that what the    cryonics industry is doing right now does any good at all?\"    Cryonics advocates who have been asked the second question tend    to answer the first, at which point it is almost entirely    impossible to pry a falsifiable claim out of them.  <\/p>\n<p>    When you ask about a particularly tricky part and the answer is    \"but, nanobots!\" take a drink. If it's \"but, future    nigh-magical artificial superintelligence!\", down the bottle.  <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonicists are almost all sincere, exceedingly smart, and    capable people. However, they are also by and large absolute    fanatics, and really believe that freezing your    freshly-dead body is the best current hope of evading permanent    death and that the $50120,000 this costs is an obviously    sensible investment in the distant future. There is little, if    any, deliberate fraud going on.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some cryonicists considered the Chatsworth facility going broke    to be due to fraud, but there's little to suggest it wasn't    just the owner being out of his depth.  <\/p>\n<p>    In widely-reported allegations by their ex-COO, Alcor have been    incredibly careless with the frozen heads in their    care.[46] Alcor denies all allegations,    tried to get his book blocked from publication[47] and threatened further legal    action. However, considering what fanatics cryonics people are,    the allegations are unlikely to be true, despite how widely    they were reported.  <\/p>\n<p>    Cryonics enthusiasts are fond of applying a variant of Pascal's    wager to cryonics[48] and saying    that being a Pascal's Wager variant doesn't make their argument    fallacious.[44][45][49] Ralph Merkle gives us Merkle's    Matrix:  <\/p>\n<p>    The questionable aspect here is omitting the bit where \"sign    up\" means \"spend $120,000 of your children's inheritance for a    spot in the freezer and a bunch of completely scientifically    unjustified promises from shaky organizations run by strange    people who are medical incompetents.\" It also assumes that    living at some undetermined future date is sufficiently    bonum in se that it is worth spending all that money    that could be used to feed starving children now.  <\/p>\n<p>            When you freeze a steak            and bring it back to edible, I'll believe it.          <\/p>\n<p>    The basic notion of freezing and reviving an animal,    e.g. a human, is far from completely implausible.  <\/p>\n<p>    Instead of freezing your brain ... how about plastinating it    instead?[69]  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>The rest is here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/rationalwiki.org\/wiki\/Cryonics\" title=\"Cryonics - RationalWiki\">Cryonics - RationalWiki<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Cryonics is the practice of freezing clinically dead people in liquid nitrogen with the hope of future reanimation. 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