{"id":1124508,"date":"2024-04-29T11:28:24","date_gmt":"2024-04-29T15:28:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/the-supreme-court-seems-divided-over-donald-trumps-immunity-the-economist\/"},"modified":"2024-04-29T11:28:24","modified_gmt":"2024-04-29T15:28:24","slug":"the-supreme-court-seems-divided-over-donald-trumps-immunity-the-economist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/donald-trump\/the-supreme-court-seems-divided-over-donald-trumps-immunity-the-economist\/","title":{"rendered":"The Supreme Court seems divided over Donald Trump&#8217;s immunity &#8211; The Economist"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    THE PETITIONER    in Trump v United States was not present on April 25th    when the Supreme Court considered whether he and other    ex-presidents should enjoy immunity from criminal liability for    their official actions while in office. Rather than being    ensconced at One First Street among the Italian marble and red    velvet, Donald Trump was seated in a     less august courtroom in New York Citywhere he faces state    charges for allegedly covering up hush-money payments to an    adult-film star.  <\/p>\n<p>    A win in Trump v United States would not help him in New    York, as those alleged crimes took place on the eve of the 2016    election before he became president. Nor would success at the    Supreme Court let him wriggle out of charges in Florida related    to classified documentsthat alleged mishandling happened after    he left office. Yet a dose of immunity would spell the end of    the most serious case against Mr Trump: federal charges brought    by Jack Smith, the special counsel, that he conspired to    overturn the results of the 2020 election.  <\/p>\n<p>    Two lower courts rejected Mr Trumps plea for blanket immunity.    In February, a three-judge panel at the appeals court wrote    that wholly immunising presidents who have left office would    undercut the primary constitutional duty of the judicial    branch to do justice in criminal prosecutions. But the nearly    three-hour hearing at the Supreme Courtwhich for long    stretches sounded more like a graduate-level seminar on    presidential power than a judicial proceedingmade clear that    the justices think the legal matter is less than clear.  <\/p>\n<p>    John Sauer, Mr Trumps lawyer, warned that a looming threat    of prosecution after leaving office will distort the    presidents decision-making and hamstring him while in office.    Without blanket immunity, he suggested, Barack Obama could be    charged today with murder for errant drone strikes and, down    the road, President Joe Biden could be held criminally liable    for letting immigrants overrun the border. Thats no way to run    an executive branch, Mr Sauer insisted.  <\/p>\n<p>    But Mr Sauers pat plea aroused scepticism across the bench.    Chief Justice John Roberts asked whether a president who    appoints an ambassador after accepting a bribe could be    prosecuted after leaving office. Mr Sauers replythat    bribe-taking is outside the scope of official presidential    conductdid not satisfy the chief. But appointing an    ambassador is certainly within the official responsibilities of    the president, he said, demonstrating the difficulty of    untangling the acts two components. This led Justice Sonia    Sotomayor to resuscitate a hypothetical scenario from the    appeals-court hearing: what about using a Navy    SEAL team to assassinate a political rival? When    Mr Sauer said that a president could not be held liable for    such an official act, Justice Sotomayor, with backing from    Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, said Americas founders never    envisioned that ex-presidents would be immune from prosecution    for criminal acts undertaken for personal gain. The    constitutions framers toyed with granting such a cloak to    presidents, Justice Sotomayor said, and opted against it.  <\/p>\n<p>    A pair of questions emerged as the justices main concerns.    First, which of Mr Trumps alleged actions count as official    (and are thus potentially immunised) and which are private (and    thus a legitimate basis for criminal prosecution)? Second, more    broadly, which principles should judges use to discern the    difference, and through what type of judicial process?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Sauer conceded early on that many of Jack Smiths    allegations against Mr Trump fell in the private category. He    admitted that spreading knowingly false claims of election    fraud and conspiring with a private attorney to file false    allegations are both private acts, and therefore prosecutable.    By contrast, meeting with the Department of Justice to    deliberate about whos going to be the acting attorney-general    of the United States is an official act, Mr Sauer said, and    should not spur criminal liability.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Elena Kagan also pressed Mr Sauer on how to draw these    lines. She was aghast at his claim that Mr Trump was acting    officially when he urged legislators in Arizona to hold a    hearing on election fraud, and when he worked with Republican    Party officials to organise fraudulent slates of presidential    electors. And she coaxed Mr Sauer into a corner where he,    uncomfortably, conceded that perhaps presidents could not be    held liable for spurring coups or sharing nuclear secrets with    foreign governments.  <\/p>\n<p>    Neither these extraordinary admissions nor a meticulous    presentation by Michael Dreeben, who argued against Mr Trumps    plea, deterred the conservative justices from standing up for a    robust reading of presidential power. Justices Samuel Alito,    Neil Gorsuch and Clarence Thomas all seemed to lean heavily in    Mr Trumps direction, even if not towards a grant of absolute    immunity. And Justice Brett Kavanaugh advocated an    idearecently floated in conservative legal circlesthat only    criminal laws with a clear statementreferencing the    president can limit a presidents conduct. But only two    criminal laws fit that bill, Mr Dreeben said, and so, under    Justice Kavanaughs reading, the entire corpus of federal    criminal law, including bribery offences, sedition, murder,    would all be off limits.  <\/p>\n<p>    As Justice William Brennan used to say, with five votes, you    can do anything at the Supreme Court. Four justices seem    intent on giving Mr Trump enough of a win that his    election-stealing case will be scuttled. (This would happen if    delaysstemming from an instruction to the lower courts to sort    out which of Mr Trumps alleged acts count as privatepush the    trials start past the presidential election in November. If he    wins, Mr Trump could end the litigation.) Four more, the    quartet of women, seem keen to allow the trial to get started,    one way or another. Justice Amy Coney Barrett raised the    spectre of letting it begin immediately and was the only    jurist to broach the elephant in the courtroom: Mr Smiths    concern for speed.  <\/p>\n<p>    That makes Chief Justice Roberts, whose sceptical questions for    Mr Dreeben balanced his worries about Mr Sauers position, the    probable deciding vote. The nuances and divisions revealed in    the hearing may make speedy resolution of the case difficult.    The ruling could come in a matter of weeksor might not arrive    until the end of June.   <\/p>\n<p>    Stay on top of American politics withThe    US in brief, our daily newsletter with fast    analysis of the most important electoral stories,    andChecks    and Balance, a weekly note from our Lexington columnist    that examines the state of American democracy and the issues    that matter to voters.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>The rest is here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.economist.com\/united-states\/2024\/04\/25\/the-supreme-court-seems-divided-over-donald-trumps-immunity\" title=\"The Supreme Court seems divided over Donald Trump's immunity - The Economist\">The Supreme Court seems divided over Donald Trump's immunity - The Economist<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> THE PETITIONER in Trump v United States was not present on April 25th when the Supreme Court considered whether he and other ex-presidents should enjoy immunity from criminal liability for their official actions while in office. Rather than being ensconced at One First Street among the Italian marble and red velvet, Donald Trump was seated in a less august courtroom in New York Citywhere he faces state charges for allegedly covering up hush-money payments to an adult-film star.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/donald-trump\/the-supreme-court-seems-divided-over-donald-trumps-immunity-the-economist\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[257675],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1124508","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-donald-trump"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1124508"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1124508"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1124508\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1124508"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1124508"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1124508"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}