{"id":1124502,"date":"2024-04-29T11:27:52","date_gmt":"2024-04-29T15:27:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/the-supreme-court-is-likely-to-place-donald-trump-above-the-law-in-its-immunity-case-vox-com\/"},"modified":"2024-04-29T11:27:52","modified_gmt":"2024-04-29T15:27:52","slug":"the-supreme-court-is-likely-to-place-donald-trump-above-the-law-in-its-immunity-case-vox-com","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/donald-trump\/the-supreme-court-is-likely-to-place-donald-trump-above-the-law-in-its-immunity-case-vox-com\/","title":{"rendered":"The Supreme Court is likely to place Donald Trump above the law in its immunity case &#8211; Vox.com"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Thursdays argument in     Trump v. United States was a disaster for Special    Counsel Jack Smith, and for anyone who believes that the    president of the United States should be subject to prosecution    if they commit a crime.  <\/p>\n<p>    At least five of the Courts Republicans seemed eager to, at    the very least, permit Trump to delay his federal criminal    trial for attempting to steal the 2020 election until after this Novembers    election. And the one GOP appointee who seemed to hedge the    most, Chief Justice John Roberts, also seemed to think that    Trump enjoys at least some immunity from criminal prosecution.  <\/p>\n<p>    Much of the Courts Republican majority, moreover, seemed eager    not simply to delay Trumps trial until after the election, but    to give him extraordinarily broad immunity from criminal    prosecution should he be elected once again. Justice Brett    Kavanaugh, for example, argued that when a president exercises    his official powers, he cannot be charged under any federal    criminal statute at all, unless that statute    contains explicit language saying that it applies to the    president.  <\/p>\n<p>    As Michael Dreeben, the lawyer arguing on behalf of Smiths    prosecution team, told the Court, only two federal laws meet    this standard. So Kavanaughs rule would amount to near    complete immunity for anything a president did while exercising    their executive authority.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Samuel Alito, meanwhile, played his traditional role as    the Courts most dyspeptic advocate for     whatever position the Republican Party prefers. At one    point, Alito even argued that permitting Trump to be prosecuted    for attempting to overthrow the 2020 presidential election    would lead us into a cycle that destabilizes ... our    democracy, because future presidents who lose elections would    mimic Trumps criminal behavior in order to remain in office    and avoid being prosecuted by their successor.  <\/p>\n<p>    In fairness, not all of the justices, or even all of the    Republican justices, engaged in such dizzying feats of reverse    logic. Roberts did express some concern that Trump lawyer John    Sauers arguments could prevent the president from being    prosecuted if he took a bribe.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Amy Coney Barrett, meanwhile,    pointed to the fact that Sauer drew a distinction between    prosecuting a president for official behavior (which Sauer    said is not allowed), and prosecuting a president for his    private conduct (which Sauer conceded is permitted). Barrett    also argued that many of the charges against Trump, such as his    work with private lawyers and political consultants to    overthrow the 2020 election, qualify as private conduct and    thus could still be prosecuted.  <\/p>\n<p>    Still, many of the Republican justices, including Barrett,    indicated that the case would have to be returned to the trial    court to determine which of the allegations against Trump    qualify as official and which qualify as private. Barrett    also indicated that Trump could then appeal the trial courts    ruling, meaning that his actual criminal trial would be delayed    for many more months as that issue makes its way through the    appeals courts.  <\/p>\n<p>    In that world, the likelihood that Trump will be tried, and a    verdict reached, before the November election is approximately    zero percent.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Courts decision in the Trump case, in other    words, is likely to raise the stakes of this already impossibly    high-stakes election considerably. As Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson warned,    the risk inherent in giving presidents immunity from the    criminal law is that someone like Trump would be emboldened to    commit crimes with abandon.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its unclear if the Court is going to go so far as to    definitively rule that the president of the United States is    allowed to do crimes. But they appear likely to make it    impossible for the criminal justice system to actually do anything    about Trumps attempt to overthrow the election  at least    before Trump could be elected president again.  <\/p>\n<p>    Under current law, all government officials     enjoy some immunity from civil lawsuits. The    president, meanwhile, is on a short list of government    officials, alongside judges and prosecutors, who enjoy    particularly robust immunity from such suits. But the law has    never been understood to immunize any government official from    criminal prosecution.  <\/p>\n<p>    Moreover, while no president has been prosecuted prior to    Trump, judges and prosecutors (who enjoy the same level of    immunity from civil suits as the president) are routinely    prosecuted for taking bribes or for otherwise violating the    criminal law during their official conduct in office.  <\/p>\n<p>    For this reason, Ive argued that his immunity case was        primarily about delaying Trumps trial until after the    election. The arguments for presidential immunity from the    criminal law are so weak and their implications are so shocking     Trumps lawyer told a lower court that unless Trump had first    been successfully impeached, he could not be prosecuted even if    he     ordered the military to assassinate one of his political    rivals  that it seemed unimaginable that even this    Supreme Court would buy Trumps immunity    arguments.  <\/p>\n<p>    After Thursday morning, however, a decision that merely delays    Trumps criminal trial until after the election is probably the    best possible outcome Smith could hope for. There appears to be    a very real chance that five justices will rule that the    president of the United States may use his official powers in    order to commit very serious crimes.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even the best case scenario for Smith, moreover, is still an    enormous victory for Donald Trump. If Trump prevails in the    2024 election, he can order the Justice Department    to drop the charges against him or even potentially pardon    himself. And, regardless of what happens in November, the    American people will go to the polls without the clarity of a    criminal trial which determines whether or not Trump is guilty    of attempting to drive a knife into US democracy.  <\/p>\n<p>    Trumps core argument is that the president is immune from    prosecution for official acts taken while he was in office.    All six of the Courts Republicans showed at least some    sympathy for this argument, though some displayed more sympathy    than others.  <\/p>\n<p>    It appears likely that at least four justices  Justices    Clarence Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh, and Neil Gorsuch  will give    Trump the immunity he seeks (or apply a rule like Kavanaughs    requirement that criminal statutes dont apply to the president    unless they explicitly say so, which would have virtually the    same effect). At one point, Thomas even suggested that the    Justice Departments decision to appoint Smith to investigate    Trump was unconstitutional.  <\/p>\n<p>    Roberts and Barrett, meanwhile, were a little more enigmatic.    But both, at the very least, floated sending this case back    down to the lower court for more delay.  <\/p>\n<p>    Chief Justice Roberts, for what its worth, did express some    concern that the line between an official action and a    private one is difficult to draw. Early in the oral argument,    he asked Sauer about a president who appoints someone as an    ambassador because that appointee gave the president a bribe.  <\/p>\n<p>    While making the appointment is an official act, taking a bribe    is not. Roberts worried that prosecutors would be unable to    secure a bribery conviction if they were forbidden from telling    the jury about the official act taken by the president in order    to secure that bribe.  <\/p>\n<p>    Barrett, meanwhile, spent a considerable amount of time walking    Sauer through the actual allegations in the indictment against    Trump. And she even got him to admit that some of the charges,    such as consulting with private lawyers and a private political    consultant on how to certify fake electors, amount to private    conduct that could be prosecuted.  <\/p>\n<p>    Later in the argument, however, Barrett seemed to lay out how    the process of determining which parts of the indictment can    survive should play out. Under her suggested framework, the    trial court would have to go through the indictment and sort    the official from the private. The trial would then be put    on hold while Trump appeals whatever the trial court says to    higher courts  in a process that is likely to take months or    even longer to sort out.  <\/p>\n<p>    By the time that was all done, the November election would be    long past, and Trump could very well be back in office  and    emboldened to commit more crimes in the very way that Justice    Jackson warned about.  <\/p>\n<p>    Indeed, the striking thing about Thursdays argument is that    most of the Republican justices appeared so overwhelmed by    concern that a future president might be hampered by fears of    being prosecuted once they leave office, that they completely    ignored the risk that an un-prosecutable president might behave    like a tyrant. Gorsuch even warned that presidents might try    to pardon themselves on the way out the door to avoid such    prosecutions.  <\/p>\n<p>    Under the legal rule that Gorsuch and many of his colleagues    are considering, however, such a pardon would be unnecessary    because the president would be almost entirely above the law     including, potentially, a president like Trump, who has already    shown his eagerness to destroy constitutional governance for    his own personal gain.  <\/p>\n<p>          Yes, I'll give $5\/month        <\/p>\n<p>          Yes, I'll give $5\/month        <\/p>\n<p>              We accept credit card, Apple              Pay, and Google Pay.              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