{"id":1122993,"date":"2024-03-16T10:13:14","date_gmt":"2024-03-16T14:13:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/why-astronomers-are-worried-about-2-major-telescopes-right-now-space-com\/"},"modified":"2024-03-16T10:13:14","modified_gmt":"2024-03-16T14:13:14","slug":"why-astronomers-are-worried-about-2-major-telescopes-right-now-space-com","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/astronomy\/why-astronomers-are-worried-about-2-major-telescopes-right-now-space-com\/","title":{"rendered":"Why astronomers are worried about 2 major telescopes right now &#8211; Space.com"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    There's a bit of tension right now in the U.S. astronomy    community and, perhaps unsurprisingly, it has to do with    telescopes  extremely large telescopes, in fact. Here's what's    going on.  <\/p>\n<p>    The National Science Foundation (NSF), a source of public    funding that two powerful next-gen observatories have been    banking on for financial support, is facing pressure to go    forward with only one telescope. This is because        last month, the National Science Board  which is    basically an advisory committee for the NSF  recommended that    it cap its giant telescope budget at $1.6 billion. This is a    lot of money, but it's just not enough for both. The board even    says the NSF will have until only May of this year to decide    which telescope gets the go-ahead.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet, both telescopes are already in the middle of construction,    both are equally important and both are actually supposed to    work together to fulfill a wide-eyed dream for astronomers.    Because of how utterly huge they're meant to be, they're    expected to one-up even the $10 billion     James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) in many ways.    That's the gold-mirrored, silvery-shielded trailblazer sitting    a million miles from     Earth right now, finding deep space gems so quickly    it's normalizing us to seeing things humanity once couldn't    fathom seeing. Imagine something better.  <\/p>\n<p>    Related:Scientists    bury time capsule to celebrate upcoming Extremely Large    Telescope  <\/p>\n<p>    \"To my knowledge, neither telescope today has a path forward    without the investment by NSF,\" John O'Meara, chief scientist    at the Keck Observatory, told Space.com. \"I've said in other    interviews that 'great vision should drive great budget, not    vice versa,' and I believe it here.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    One of the big scopes is the Giant Magellan Telescope (GMT).    It's taking shape as you read this in the clear-skied deserts    of Chile, and it's projected to cost something like $2.54    billion as a whole. The other is called The Thirty Meter    Telescope (TMT). That one's location is a bit more    controversial. It's planned to decorate a mountain in Hawaii    called Mauna Kea, but locals have protested the decision    because this stunning volcanic peak that boasts low humidity    and gentle winds (perfect conditions for astronomy) is    extremely meaningful in native Hawaiian culture. It's a fraught    situation, as     13 other telescopes already live in the area and    some local people say the facilities are impacting the    natural environment. In terms of cost, however, the projected    amount is just about symmetrical to the GMT's.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"They're expensive,\" Eric Isaacs, the president of the Carnegie    Institution for Science, which has provided a sizable amount of    private funding for the GMT, told Space.com \"Not so much that    the NSF couldn't do it  but they'd have to move things around    and decide that's a priority.\"  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    As of now, both telescope crews seem to remain hopeful while    waiting for a decision.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Our international consortium is fully committed to    successfully completing the $2.54 billion Giant Magellan    Telescope,\" the GMT team told Space.com.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"We read with great interest the NSB's recommendation to the    NSF and are eager to work with the NSF to advance US leadership    in astronomy for    the next generation of astronomers,\" a spokesperson for the TMT    told Space.com.  <\/p>\n<p>    Isaacs acknowledges there's some natural competition due to the    $1.6 billion announcement, but all in all, emphasizes that the    teams have a united front. \"We're sticking together,\" he said.    \"We were hoping NSF would come up with anything at this point,    and they're really waking up to this.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    There's a key reason these telescopes are meant to be    companions. Each can find the other's missing pieces; together,    they can paint a picture of     the universe in its grand totality.  <\/p>\n<p>    The GMT is going to be on call for the Southern Hemisphere,    while the TMT will have the Northern Hemisphere. Both also have    complementary expertises. Some things the TMT can do, the GMT    won't be as trained on. But the GMT can pick up where the TMT    leaves off in other regards. Tag-team vibes. In this way, while    holding hands and walking through the cosmos, the telescopes    are supposed to be able to execute science our current robotic    eyes on the sky simply can't compete with. How could a    ground-based telescope view things the spaceborne JWST can't,    you wonder? The quick answer is that a telescope on our planet    can be bigger than one in space.    For now, at least.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    The TMT, which just finished    polishing the 100th of its 492 total mirror segments, is    planned to have a primary mirror that's (obviously) 30 meters,    or 100 feet, in diameter. The GMT will have seven    27.6-foot-wide (8.4 m) mirror segments positioned    in a pattern that resembles a six-petaled daisy to form    a single 83.3-foot-wide (25.4 m) light-collecting surface. The    bigger the mirror, the more light you can get. The more light    you can get, the deeper you can see, and the dimmer objects you    can pick up.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"TMT will deliver images that are more than 12 times sharper    than the Hubble    Space Telescope and more than four times sharper than    those from JWST,\" the TMT team said in a    release.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"These are the instruments for the next decades,\" Isaacs said.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Plus, both ground-based observatories can be adapted over    time    because they're physically on our planet. A bunch of    astronauts can't exactly travel a million miles to reach    Lagrange    Point 2, where the JWST is situated, to tinker with the    machine. The Hubble Space Telescope could be serviced back in    the day because it sits in low Earth    orbit  but even that was enough of a feat to    warrant celebration decades later.  <\/p>\n<p>    It's fascinating how the science board's recommendation has    sent ripples down into politics, managing to make headlines    about the country's tricky status as a leader among the        stars.  <\/p>\n<p>    The worry comes from the fact that these telescopes are    supposed to represent a significant leap forward for U.S.    astronomy and U.S. astronomers.  <\/p>\n<p>    Already, the European Southern Observatory's giant telescope    project (unironically named the Extremely Large Telescope) is    walking    steadily to completion; China also        has plans for its own enormous bridge to the stars.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"From our view, the most important thing is, let's at least    build one,\" Isaacs said. \"If we don't, we're out of the game,    and China and the EU [European Union] are going to continue on.    But we certainly want to advocate for two at this point,    because we think it really keeps us in a leadership position.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    In fact, soon after the board presented its $1.6 billion    recommendation, Congress released its Fiscal Year 2024 funding    bill. In this bill, Congress says it would like the nation to    have a \"two-observatory footprint\" via the U.S. Extremely Large    Telescope (USELT) program, though funding levels weren't    specified. Interestingly, it does mention that the NSF,        in total, will get $9.06 billion to work with.    Still, the NSB's number remains the only one scientists have to    contend with as of yet for the telescope program.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I think that number, it sends a message,\" Isaacs said. \"I    mean, we have roughly a third of what we need, but we can't    build it unless we get NSF involved because it's just going to    be hard to raise that kind of money, even from wealthy, private    people. It's the same thing with the TMT.\"  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    However, it's also worth considering, as Isaacs points out,    that $1.6 billion isn't exactly an out-of-the-blue figure. \"It    wasn't a magic number,\" he said. \"That was the number that was    originally in the Astro 2020 report.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Which brings us to the next layer of complexity in the    situation.  <\/p>\n<p>    In short,     Astro2020 refers to a super-detailed outline of what    the nation's astronomy and astrophysics priorities should be    during the 2020s. For this reason, it's also called the Decadal    Survey. It's written by the National Academies of Science,    Engineering and Medicine  but most importantly for this bit of    astronomy drama, Astro2020 specifically advocated for at least    one extremely large telescope, and \"ideally\" two: The GMT and    the TMT.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"The Astro2020 report is not a mere suggestion,\" Isaacs said.    \"It's a very strong statement.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"The Decadal put forward a bold vision for what tools we need    and the mandate that we build and use them responsibly,\"    O'Meara said. \"I think we can rise to that challenge and work    with congress to fund USELT as a two-telescope project.    Otherwise, U.S. leadership is at risk.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    The slight contradiction, however, is that the report says the    NSF     should invest $1.8 billion in the project. This    issue stems from the survey being a bit dated. It was released    in 2021; since then, costs have risen.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"The next generation of telescope projects have gotten so huge    and ambitious, and as a result they require an immense amount    of coordination and planning,\" Dillon Brout, an assistant    professor of astronomy and physics at Boston University, told    Space.com. \"While the announcement is indeed a tough pill to    swallow, it's commendable that the NSF has made this decision    sooner rather than later.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"It is an investment at a scale NSF is not used to for a    facility, both in construction and in eventual operations,\"    O'Meara said. \"That said, the science demands these    capabilities.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    There is one aspect of the situation that, when we really sit    back and consider it, may feel either humbling or frustrating,    depending on your perspective. The NSF's money is public money,    aka taxpayer money, aka our money.  <\/p>\n<p>    The topic has therefore spurred a lot of interesting    conversations in this vein. What does this conundrum say about    how we fund scientific advancement? What does it say about    anyone having an interest in science?  <\/p>\n<p>    \"We must use opportunities when astronomy funding is in the    public discourse to reiterate how essential it is to continue    to financially support these efforts that will unlock    never-before-seen depths of our universe,\" Brout said. \"This is    especially true if the United States wants to maintain its    position as a world leader in the fields of astronomy,    astrophysics and cosmology.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Sometimes, Isaacs says, he'll sit down at a restaurant and    wonder how people in the room would react if it were announced    that scientists had found an alien.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I look at the person next to me and say, 'How would you like    it if I could tell you there was life on another planet?'\" he    recalled. \"And half of them say, 'Oh, that'd be so cool.' And    half of them say 'Why? Why would we spend money on that? We've    got to care about our problems on Earth.'\"  <\/p>\n<p>    It's a fair question, and one that's been raised many times in    the past. We see a version of it raised when it comes to NASA's    modern Artemis moon missions, for instance, and it was    absolutely raised    during NASA's older Apollo lunar program. And we'll    surely see it brought up many more times in the years to    come.  <\/p>\n<p>    But maybe science is worth it. Not just medical science and    climate science due to the direct, tangible repercussions they    have, but also star science, black hole science and    dark    energy science. The James Webb Space Telescope has    undoubtedly helped humans across the world feel like they're    under the same blanket of awe despite tragedy and war, and the    first direct image of a     black hole, captured a few years ago by the    Event    Horizon Telescope, was on the front page of every major    news outlet for a reason. Space discoveries may not impact our    bodies, but they surely impact our perspectives. Beyond that    even, a few billion dollars for science advancement is meager    compared to the huge sums of public funding allocated for    things like defense, which receives many hundreds of billions    year after year.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    And though Isaacs says the team has received public funding    before, including from NASA, to build some relevant instruments    for big observatories, private funding right now is leading the    charge. For some context, NASA's funding allotment in the    FY2024 bill was set at $24.875 billion to \"explore the    solar    system, understand climate    change, promote innovation and sustainability in    aeronautics, and protect our planet.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"When the opportunity arises to answer the toughest questions    the universe can throw at us, astronomy has worked with    Congress to fund those tools,\" O'Meara said. As he underlines,    the Rubin Observatory, set to achieve first light in 2025, the    Nancy    Grace Roman Space Telescope, slated to launch to space in    2027, as well as the Daniel K. Inouye Solar Telescope and the    JWST of course, already churning out results, are all examples    of \"going big because the questions are big.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"We should be doing that with USELT as well,\" he said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Private funding has worked for other telescopes, such as with    the Keck Observatory, but those projects weren't as big as this    one. Keck's cost ran into the millions, not the billions.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Once NSF says they're in, you're going to get everybody    interested. Right now, we have 14 members of the consortium,    which is a lot, but we are still looking for a way to make ends    meet,\" Isaacs said.  <\/p>\n<p>    So, where do we go from here?  <\/p>\n<p>    Well, it seems like we'll know more in May, when the NSF tells    us what they've been discussing behind the scenes. \"NSF has to    come in, or else it's going to be very hard,\" Isaacs said. \"You    know, of course, we'll do other things with a lot of other    great ideas in astronomy  but this is the big idea.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I'd say astronomy is in a golden age right now,\" he remarked.    \"And, to give up on ground-based astronomy at this point would    be the wrong time.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Update 3\/10: In Eric Isaacs' third-to-last comment, he was    referring to the NSF, not NASA. 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