{"id":1121262,"date":"2024-01-23T17:42:51","date_gmt":"2024-01-23T22:42:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/miriam-lord-polygamy-and-throuples-in-the-dil-chamber-doesnt-sound-like-a-durable-relationship-the-irish-times\/"},"modified":"2024-01-23T17:42:51","modified_gmt":"2024-01-23T22:42:51","slug":"miriam-lord-polygamy-and-throuples-in-the-dil-chamber-doesnt-sound-like-a-durable-relationship-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/polygamy\/miriam-lord-polygamy-and-throuples-in-the-dil-chamber-doesnt-sound-like-a-durable-relationship-the-irish-times\/","title":{"rendered":"Miriam Lord: Polygamy and throuples in the Dil chamber? Doesn&#8217;t sound like a durable relationship &#8211; The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    TDs are quite partial to the occasional bit of swapping.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are big parties and small parties and its been going on    since the early 1950s. Deputies meet in secret in special rooms    in Government Buildings and Leinster House and occasionally    they gather in upmarket hotels around Kildare Street just for    the thrill of it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some politicians will go off with anyone  if they get the    right offer. They can sometimes hook up for years, but it    always ends in grief.  <\/p>\n<p>    These relationships never last. They are not durable.  <\/p>\n<p>    Roderic OGorman, Cabinet Minister and    member of the Green Party, knows this because he is currently    in a politically polygamist arrangement with a number of    like-minded parliamentarians.  <\/p>\n<p>    Therefore, he was well qualified to speak to the subject when    Michael McNamara, the Independent TD for Clare, held forth at    some length on the subject of polygamy.  <\/p>\n<p>    It wasnt a discussion we were expecting to hear late in the    afternoon on the Dils first day back since the Christmas    recess.  <\/p>\n<p>    Housing? Yes. Gaza? Of course. Roscrea migrants shambles?    Absolutely.  <\/p>\n<p>    But not polygamy.  <\/p>\n<p>    And throuples. Thats when most people in offices around    Leinster House who had the proceedings on in the background    reached for the remote and turned up the volume.  <\/p>\n<p>    Are we to say that a polygamous marriage is not a durable    relationship? wondered Michael during a debate on the    referendums and the proposal to amend the Constitutional    definition of a family to one founded on marriage or other    durable relationships.  <\/p>\n<p>    People in other cultures have been in polygamous marriages for    centuries, he informed Roderic, the Minister for Children,    Equality, Integration, Disability and Youth, who is the busiest    Minister in the land, despite Heather Humphreys gushing praise    for Housing Minister Darragh OBrien earlier on.  <\/p>\n<p>    Working day and night, she marvelled as Darragh went slightly    red and smothered a smirk.  <\/p>\n<p>    Although she pronounced his surname differently, in the way    comedian Dara  Briain pronounces his.  <\/p>\n<p>    The way things are going, maybe the Government could do worse    than put a comedian in charge of a housing situation which a    lot of people think is a joke.  <\/p>\n<p>    [Expanded concept of    family in Constitution will not cover polygamous    relationships]  <\/p>\n<p>    But back to Roderic, or Poor Roderic as he is increasingly    known, such is his workload. He has his hands full with a    dangerously simmering immigration issue which runs across many    Government departments whose Ministers make fleeting guest    appearances while he does all the heavy lifting.  <\/p>\n<p>    For respite, he was confined to the Dil chamber all day on    Wednesday, carefully reading through piles of documents and    chewing his ballpoint during Leaders Questions and the Order    of Business when Heather, the Minister for Social Protection,    stood in for the absent Taoiseach and Tnaiste.  <\/p>\n<p>    Then he nipped into her seat to take the committee stage debate    on framing the terms of the forthcoming referendums.  <\/p>\n<p>    It was scheduled to run for hours.  <\/p>\n<p>    As the afternoon unfolded, what we desperately wanted was to    hear that famous chant from Monty Pythons The Life of Brian    ring out around the chamber.  <\/p>\n<p>    Welease Wodewick!  <\/p>\n<p>        Independent TD Michael McNamara riffed on polygamy        and how it is probably misunderstood by most people in this        country Photograph: Oireachtas TV.      <\/p>\n<p>    Instead, he had to stay in situ while Michael McNamara riffed    on polygamy and how it is probably misunderstood by most people    in this country.  <\/p>\n<p>    To say such unions are not durable would be inaccurate, I    think he told Poor Roderic, who is a law lecturer and was well    across the detail of the proposed amendments.  <\/p>\n<p>    Would it be right to rule them out of constitutional    consideration?  <\/p>\n<p>    Polygamous relationships wont be recognised under the proposed    changes to the Constitution, confirmed the Minister. They do    not represent a moral institution in Irish law.  <\/p>\n<p>    McNamara was like a dog with a bone. But once upon a time in    Irish law homosexuality was not considered a moral institution.    Look at it now.  <\/p>\n<p>    Is polygamy not durable?  <\/p>\n<p>    Its not recognised under Irish law, explained the Minister.    Labour leader Ivana Bacik, a law professor, said its a    criminal offence here.  <\/p>\n<p>    No, said Roderic, it will not be classified as a durable    relationship.  <\/p>\n<p>    Why? persisted Michael.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Minister started explaining again about the Governments    clear policy intention whether its a polygamous relationship    or some other arrangement.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ive heard the word throuples thrown around these sort of    relationships.  <\/p>\n<p>    McNamara did a double take.  <\/p>\n<p>    What?  <\/p>\n<p>    Throuples, repeated Roderic.  <\/p>\n<p>    Truffles? said Michael, who is a barrister.  <\/p>\n<p>    Throuples.  <\/p>\n<p>    Three, explained Labours Sen Sherlock, very slowly.  <\/p>\n<p>    Oh, sorry. Truffles. I thought you said truffles.  <\/p>\n<p>    No, I did not.  <\/p>\n<p>    The penny dropped.  <\/p>\n<p>    I thought you said truffles. I wondered if there were truffles    in the restaurant. Sorry.  <\/p>\n<p>    Deputy McNamaras sudden realisation was reminiscent of the    great Mattie McGrath\/Adrian Lynch exchange during a committee    hearing last year when an RT executive thought Tipperary TD    Mattie was asking him who he was lying to, until it dawned on    him that Mattie wanted to know who he was loyal to.  <\/p>\n<p>    And when Lynch then repeated the word loyal, the way McNamara    repeated the word truffle on Wednesday.  <\/p>\n<p>    Are you hungry? asked Ceann Comhairle Sen  Fearghal. Its    far from truffles he was reared.  <\/p>\n<p>    Roderic OGorman, of course, is currently in a throuple with    Fine Gael and Fianna Fil.  <\/p>\n<p>    Not to be categorised as a durable relationship either.  <\/p>\n<p>    At this rate, these referendums, which havent exactly caught    the publics imagination yet, might provide some diversion    after all.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Link: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/oireachtas\/2024\/01\/17\/miriam-lord-polygamy-and-throuples-in-the-dail-chamber-doesnt-sound-like-a-durable-relationship\/\" title=\"Miriam Lord: Polygamy and throuples in the Dil chamber? Doesn't sound like a durable relationship - The Irish Times\">Miriam Lord: Polygamy and throuples in the Dil chamber? 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