{"id":1120485,"date":"2023-12-28T23:53:09","date_gmt":"2023-12-29T04:53:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/claims-on-canaan-by-africans-and-arabs-in-the-talmud-the-times-of-israel\/"},"modified":"2023-12-28T23:53:09","modified_gmt":"2023-12-29T04:53:09","slug":"claims-on-canaan-by-africans-and-arabs-in-the-talmud-the-times-of-israel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/talmud\/claims-on-canaan-by-africans-and-arabs-in-the-talmud-the-times-of-israel\/","title":{"rendered":"Claims on &#8216;Canaan&#8217; by Africans and Arabs in the Talmud &#8211; The Times of Israel"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    For an overview of the depiction of Alexander the Great in    Talmudic literature, with bibliography, see the Hebrew    Wikipedia entry         .  <\/p>\n<p>    This Talmudic passage (Sanhedrin 91a    (sections # 6-9)) starts with a quote from Megillat    Taanit(a pre-rabbinic text, written in Aramaic): On    the twenty-fourth day in Nisan it is a joyous day, since the    usurpers [dimusanaei] were expelled from Judea and    Jerusalem. (Jastrowsays    thatdimusanaei( ) is a    corruption ofdemosionai=publicani) farmers of public revenues under the    Roman government. So, related to the Greek    worddemospeople,and    here meaning tax collector, seePublican     Wikipedia, equivalent to the later rabbinic    termmokhes .)  <\/p>\n<p>    It then describes a debate led byGeviha    ben Pesisa, representing the Jewish people against the    claims of the Africans (   the people    ofthe Roman province of Africa, the northern coast of what    is now known as the African continent).  <\/p>\n<p>    Geviha ben Pesisa requested the Sages permission to debate    with the people of Africa before Alexander of Macedon. He    proposed that if he were defeated, the Sages could minimize the    loss by stating he was just an ordinary person (hedyot      see my discussion in the next paragraph)    and that a true victory would require defeating the Sages.    Conversely, if he won, the victory should be attributed to the    wisdom of the Torah, not to his personal abilities. The Sages    agreed and gave him permission to proceed with the debate.  <\/p>\n<p>    (Hedyot   is a common loan word in    Talmudic literature. It is cognate with modern    Englishidiot.Idiot     Wikipedia:  <\/p>\n<p>      The word idiot comes from the Greek noun      iditsa      private person, individual (as opposed to the state), a      private citizen (as opposed to someone with a political      office), a common man, a person lacking professional      skill, layman, later unskilled, ignorant, derived from      the adjective idiospersonal (not      public, not shared). In Latin, idiota was borrowed in the      meaning uneducated, ignorant, common, and in Late Latin      came to mean crude, illiterate, ignorant. In French, it      kept the meaning of illiterate, ignorant, and added the      meaning stupid in the 13th century. In English, it added      the meaning mentally deficient in the 14th century.)    <\/p>\n<p>    The Africans argued beforeAlexander the Greatthat the land of Israel    (eretz kanaan Land ofCanaan)    belonged to them, citing biblical inheritance.Clearly,    these Africans were of Canaanite ethnicity. This makes    historical sense, since the major city in the area known as    Africa was Carthage, a Canaanite colony.  <\/p>\n<p>    Wikipedia, Ancient    Carthage:  <\/p>\n<p>      Ancient Carthage ([] Punic: [] romanized:qart      hada; lit.New City) was an ancient Semitic      civilisation based in North Africa. Initially a settlement in      present-day Tunisia, it later became a city-state and then an      empire. Founded by the Phoenicians [=Canaanites] in the ninth      century BCE, Carthage reached its height in the fourth      century BCE as one of the largest metropolises in the world.    <\/p>\n<p>    (See more on the use of the place-name Canaan at the end of    this piece.)  <\/p>\n<p>    Geviha ben Pesisa challenged this claim using the Torah,    stating thatCanaan (son of Ham), being cursed as a slave, meant that    his descendants and their possessions belonged to their    masters. He argued that since the Africans had not served the    Jews, they were not entitled to the land and owed debts and    servitude. Unable to respond to Gevihas argument, the Africans    fled, leaving their fields and vineyards, which benefitted the    Jewish people, especially since it was a Sabbatical Year with    agricultural restrictions.  <\/p>\n<p>    Similar stories, with very similar literary structure are then    given for a debate with Egyptians (  bnei    Mitzrayim Sons of Egypt, ibid. sections    #10-13) and a debate with Arabs (       bnei Yishmael ubnei Keturah    Sons ofYishmaeland Sons ofKeturah,    ibid. sections #14-16).  <\/p>\n<p>    The Egyptians argue, based on the Bible: Give us the silver    and gold that you took from us; you claimed that you were    borrowing it and you never returned it. Geviha responds with a    counter-claim: Give us the wages for the work [] whom you    enslaved in Egypt for four hundred and thirty years.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Arabs claim, based on the Bible: The land of Canaan is    both ours and yours. Notice that unlike the Africans, who say    that the land is exclusively theirs, the Arabs are simply    claiming a share, as opposed to the Jewish exclusivist claim.    Geviha responds with a rhetorical question, after citing a    Biblical verse: In the case of a father [=Avraham] who gave a    document of bequest [agatin  ] to his sons    during his lifetime and sent one of the sons away from the    other, does the one who was sent away have any claim against    the other? In this case, unlike in the debates with the    African and the Egyptians, theres no counter-claim, but simply    that the Arabs ancestor Yishmael had been disinherited by    Avraham. (Jastrowexplainsagatinas a    loan word stemming from Latinlegatummeaning bequest, leaving in a will.    Cognate with modern Englishlegacy.)  <\/p>\n<p>    The use of the term Canaan to refer to Eretz Yisrael is    interesting. This word is the standard one in the Bible, and    was the one used by the natives themselves (the Canaanites),    especially those who lived on the coast of modern-day Lebanon,    and those who lived in Carthage in (North) Africa (see    earlier), known to the Greeks asPhoenecians.  <\/p>\n<p>    Presumably, Alexander himself would mostly likely have referred    to the area as Palestine, which was the standard term in    Greek, seeTimeline of the name Palestine  Wikipedia:  <\/p>\n<p>      The term Palestine first appeared in the 5th century BCE      when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a      district of Syria, called Palaistin between Phoenicia and      Egypt inThe Histories. Herodotus provides the      first historical reference clearly denoting a wider region      than biblical Philistia, as he applied the term to both the      coastal and the inland regions such as the Judean Mountains      and the Jordan Rift Valley. Later Greek writers such as      Aristotle, Polemon and Pausanias also used the word, which      was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus,      Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius,      Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria      and Josephus.    <\/p>\n<p>    Its also possible that Alexander would have called it Syria    or Phoenecia. See also the recent balanced overview: by Lyman    Stone, Who Has Claim? 3,000 Years of Religion in the Land    Between,In a State of Migration(October 27, 2023).  <\/p>\n<p>    Its likely that the termCanaanis used by    the Talmud here, because the editors were sensitive to the fact    that their standard term for the landEretz    Yisrael,was used only by Jews. The other natives,    especially the so-called Phoenicians (a Greekexonym, meaning, a term that only non-natives used, to    refer to natives), called the landCanaan, and    the Greeks called itPalestine.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ezra Brand is an independent scholar, whose research interests    include the Talmudic era, medieval Kabbalah, digital    humanities, and linguistics. He has a Master's degree in    Medieval Jewish History from Yeshiva University, and spent a    year studying in the Talmud Department in Bar-Ilan University.    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(Jastrowsays thatdimusanaei( ) is a corruption ofdemosionai=publicani) farmers of public revenues under the Roman government.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/talmud\/claims-on-canaan-by-africans-and-arabs-in-the-talmud-the-times-of-israel\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[450975],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1120485","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-talmud"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1120485"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1120485"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1120485\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1120485"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1120485"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1120485"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}