{"id":1119665,"date":"2023-11-30T20:33:15","date_gmt":"2023-12-01T01:33:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/critiquing-hazony-on-religion-and-rationalism-econlib\/"},"modified":"2023-11-30T20:33:15","modified_gmt":"2023-12-01T01:33:15","slug":"critiquing-hazony-on-religion-and-rationalism-econlib","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheist\/critiquing-hazony-on-religion-and-rationalism-econlib\/","title":{"rendered":"Critiquing Hazony &#8211; On Religion and Rationalism &#8211; Econlib"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    My first two critiques (here    and     here) of Hazonys work were focused on his definitions of    liberal and conservative, and his arguments regarding    philosophy and economics. In this last critique, I focus on his    claims about the necessity of religion as a center for a    conservative worldview, as he defines it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Overall, Hazonys work is at its weakest when he gets into the    topic of religion. He is adamant that religious observance is    necessary to the healthy functioning of a society, and this    necessity is supported by conservatism but undermined by    liberalism. And his eagerness to argue this point seems to lead    to odd lapses in logic. For example, he tells us that when the    Enlightenment philosopher Grotius published the first edition    of his     On the Law of War and Peace in 1625, he made the    mistake of admitting in print that his system would hold true    even if there is no God and that by saying this, the    fundamental incompatibility of Enlightenment rationalism with    the God of Scripture had been made plain. But this makes no    sense. Saying that something is and would be true    independent of Gods existence in no way implies that    its truth is therefore incompatible with Gods    existence. Those are very different ideas, yet Hazony is    treating them as if they meant the same thing.  <\/p>\n<p>    But rushing ahead, Hazony assures the reader that a political    theory in the conservative tradition cannot be made to work    without the God of Scripture. Luckily for the prospects of    conservative political theory, his argument for this is    extremely weak. He goes on to say, Conservatives understand    that all human perspectives are limited and local. But at the    same time, conservatives recognize that some perspectives are    truer than others, and that we can advance toward ideas and    principles that better grasp reality in the political and moral    domain. Presumably he thinks this is a point of view that is    and can only be held by religious conservatives, but that is    plainly false. Nothing about being an atheist entails rejecting    the idea that humans have limited perspective, for example     atheism does not somehow entail a belief in human omniscience    or perfectibility. Nor does atheism entail moral antirealism     many atheists are also moral realists who believe we have    limited and imperfect but real understandings of morality, and    that these understandings can be improved upon even though not    perfected. Hazony ignores this and attempts to bolster his    argument by just asserting a false dichotomy, saying This is    the difference between a relativist theory and a conservative    one: The relativist sees in politics and morals a realm in    which an endless variety of perspectives compete with one    another for power  without striving to attain what is true,    and without anything being right in Gods eyes. But Hazony    offers no non-question-begging reason to believe these are the    only options.  <\/p>\n<p>    Suppose Im an atheist who believes the following ideas: I    believe that our ideas of social and political order should be    grounded in what experience shows actually works. I believe    that the human mind is a limited tool, and that what has been    shown to work through accumulated experience is a better guide    to action than what people can reason through on their own. I    believe life is complicated, far too complicated to grasp    directly, and grandiose visions to rebuild the social order are    doomed to fail because they will be inevitably built on a    hopelessly palsied understanding of reality. And because of    this, I believe that longstanding social institutions should    hold a strong presumption in favor of being upheld, and that    its foolish to assume they are useless simply because you,    personally, dont see the point of them. (In fact, this is a    pretty accurate description of who I am) Now, if someone    attempted to convince me I was wrong about all these ideas by    saying You may think that, but actually, the God of Scripture    doesnt exist, so nothing you just said is true! I would be at    most amused by this non sequitur. I certainly wouldnt think    that any of the ideas I described had been rebutted, or even    engaged.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the limitations of the human mind make it too feeble an    instrument to design a stable and enduring social order through    pure reason, then that fact alone would fully explain why    attempts to do such a thing would fail. But Hazony claims that    such failures actually show God is acting behind the scenes as    a countervailing force which stops every scheme of ideas, and    every principle, from expanding infinitely outward until it has    subjected all things to its rule. The God of Scripture    circumscribes all human things, reducing them to their true    proportions. This is explanatorily redundant. If a task is    beyond the scope of the human mind, thats enough to explain    why attempting that task would fail. Nothing extra is explained    by saying such failures are also God keeping humans in check,    and nothing about believing some tasks are beyond the scope of    the human mind requires believing that a God exists.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hazony goes on to say: Remove him from your thoughts, and your    own scheme of ideas, which is local and incomplete, will begin    to expand, overrunning its true boundaries. But he doesnt    support this through anything beyond mere assertion. He makes    no attempt to show this must be true from experience. Like the    Enlightenment thinkers he criticizes, Hazony asserts this as    though it were an axiomatic, self-evident truth. But experience    does not bear him out on this point, as there are many thinkers    whose worldviews are deeply rooted in religion who are also    philosophical rationalists, and there are many secular thinkers    whose worldview is equally deeply rooted in empiricism, the    importance of experience over abstract reason, and an awareness    of the limitations of the human mind.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hazony is very fond of using blindness as a description for his    ideological opponents. Its never the case that someone who    disagrees with him might understand his argument but be    unconvinced by it  he repeatedly insists they are    blind to the reality he describes. Thus, its not the    case that liberals understand but disagree with conservatives    on nationalism  instead, the liberal paradigm is    blind to the nation. Its not that liberals might    understand but disagree with conservative perspective, its    that liberals have been educated in such a way as to leave    them blind to the importance of these things. Hazony    seems to think his perspective is so self-evidently true that    its impossible to see it but not share it  if you dont    accept his ideas, you must therefore be blind to them.  <\/p>\n<p>    To be fair, Hazony doesnt think this is an exclusive    description of liberals so much as an inevitable side effect of    using political paradigms. He says when an important concept    or idea has been left out of a political paradigm, those who    rely on this paradigm will be blind to political objects of the    kind this concept is meant to identify. They will neither see    them nor understand their role in the political domain. So, in    principle, this should also hold true of people whose worldview    is shaped by a conservative paradigm. Yet Hazony show    remarkably little curiosity about where his own paradigm might    leave him blind, and what he might fail to see or understand as    a result. I suspect Hazonys worldview is so deeply embedded    with the idea of the Biblical God that he cant comprehend that    there are worldviews out there not rooted in his religion that    also embrace historical empiricism and epistemic humility,    uphold traditions and inherited institutions, and reject moral    antirealism. A possible unintended consequence of Hazonys book    may be to further fracture the conservative movement by    alienating such secular conservatives rather than make a common    cause with them, by insisting they cannot be true members of    the conservative moment or opponents of rationalist political    theory unless they also happen to embrace the Abrahamic God he    believes in.  <\/p>\n<p>    And that would be unfortunate, because despite the many    quibbles and criticisms I have laid out here, I think Hazony    has written an excellent and thought-provoking book. On many    points I agree with what he says, and I think he offers strong    arguments for many of his views I dont share. While I find    much to disagree with in Hazonys book, there is also much to    agree with and to learn from. The good points Hazony makes in    his book remain good points independent of his religious    doctrine, even if he doesnt see it that way. And thats enough    for me, even if it falls short for him.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See the rest here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.econlib.org\/critiquing-hazony-on-religion-and-rationalism\" title=\"Critiquing Hazony - On Religion and Rationalism - Econlib\">Critiquing Hazony - On Religion and Rationalism - Econlib<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> My first two critiques (here and here) of Hazonys work were focused on his definitions of liberal and conservative, and his arguments regarding philosophy and economics. In this last critique, I focus on his claims about the necessity of religion as a center for a conservative worldview, as he defines it <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheist\/critiquing-hazony-on-religion-and-rationalism-econlib\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[487843],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1119665","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atheist"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1119665"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1119665"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1119665\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1119665"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1119665"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1119665"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}