{"id":1118520,"date":"2023-10-13T23:37:11","date_gmt":"2023-10-14T03:37:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/expert-qa-with-david-aaron-on-fisa-section-702-reauthorization-just-security\/"},"modified":"2023-10-13T23:37:11","modified_gmt":"2023-10-14T03:37:11","slug":"expert-qa-with-david-aaron-on-fisa-section-702-reauthorization-just-security","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/expert-qa-with-david-aaron-on-fisa-section-702-reauthorization-just-security\/","title":{"rendered":"Expert Q&#038;A with David Aaron on FISA Section 702 Reauthorization &#8230; &#8211; Just Security"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Editors Note: This is part of a multi-part series on    theFISA    Section 702reauthorization and reform    debate.  <\/p>\n<p>    Q. There are loud voices on either end of the spectrum with    regard to Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance    Act (FISA), the intelligence authority set to expire at the end    of the year unless reauthorized by Congress. The     Biden administration and other     supporters of the Section 702 program argue that    it should be reauthorized as is; others believe that it should    be     overhauled (if not allowed to sunset). Where do    you fall on this debate? From your experience investigating and    litigating prominent national security cases and as an    intelligence operations attorney, do you think Section 702 is    as imperative as the Executive branch has stated? And likewise,    do you think any reforms to the program are necessary or    appropriate?  <\/p>\n<p>    Yes I think it is imperative to reauthorize Section 702.    It is a fast and efficient way to obtain important national    security information in a manner that complies with the    Constitution. But I do want to distinguish Section 702, which    is a foreign intelligence tool, from a classic criminal    investigative tool. I worked in the Department of Justices    National Security Division in three capacities: as a FISA    operations and oversight attorney, as a national security    policy counsel, and as a cyber and counterespionage prosecutor.    My views on Section 702  which are my own and not those of any    employer, past or present  come more from my experience as an    operations and oversight attorney and policy counsel than my    time as a national security prosecutor.  <\/p>\n<p>    And I also think it should be updated, consistent with    the history of updates to FISA as the technology, scale, use,    and public perception of foreign intelligence surveillance have    evolved. In particular, because of the global nature of    communications and travel, the built-in safeguards to prevent    targeting of U.S. persons and people within the United States    have to be periodically updated. And because law enforcement    officers and intelligence officers are always thinking of new    ways to use the information and systems available to them  for    good-faith reasons related to keeping the nation safe  it is    important to keep tabs on, and think critically about, those    new uses.  <\/p>\n<p>    Queries of previously collected information are a great    example. At first, for many it was hard to see how searching    information that had already been collected pursuant to    court-approved procedures would cause a problem. As the    practice became more widespread, however,     public concerns grew about reverse    targeting or routine checks for U.S. person information. This    all happened as storage capacity and search capability    continued their exponential expansion. New technology and    new practices led to new concerns, which led to new rules. That    is entirely appropriate.  <\/p>\n<p>    To me, the important lesson here is that the system    worked. The oversight mechanisms built into Section 702, which    involve all three branches of government, provided the insight    and transparency necessary to surface the issue and address it.    That oversight distinguishes Section 702 from many historical    and non-U.S. intelligence collection programs.  <\/p>\n<p>    Q. Thats an important insight on intelligence programs     and their oversight structures  changing over time as    communications and technology evolve. Can you provide some    further context on changes to FISA over time and how Section    702 fits into this picture?  <\/p>\n<p>    I started working on FISA operations in 2005, before    Section 702 existed. People may not remember how intense the    pace of global counterterrorism efforts was at that time. If    you look at publicly available statistics, you can see the drop    in full-blown     individually targeted FISA orders that    occurred     after Section 702 became law. If we can    infer that this drop is at least partly due to the governments    new authority to target, without a particularized warrant or    order, the communications of people who are neither U.S.    persons nor present within the United States, this makes a lot    of sense. There is no Constitutionally based reason to apply    Fourth Amendment protections such as particularized findings of    probable cause to that group (that is, non-U.S. persons located    abroad), and there is a limit to how many individual FISA    applications DOJ, the FBI, and the FISA court can process and    oversee. So, it is reasonable to come up with a new system that    applies Constitutional protections to those who are entitled to    them, imposes court supervision over Executive branch    activities, and allows for policy-based limitations such as    those contained in     Executive Order 14086.  <\/p>\n<p>    Much of the opportunity and need for Section 702 is based    on technological change. When FISA was enacted in the 1970s,    most international communications were transmitted by radio    transmissions. Those communications were exempt    from FISA as long as they did not target a    U.S. person in the United States and included a party outside    the United States. The U.S. government could therefore use    technical means to collect those communications with    no court oversight at all. Signals    intelligence collection can sometimes be unreliable and risky,    and if you go visit the NSA museum you will see a memorial wall    that shows just how dangerous it could be. But as technology    developed, the same foreign communications that the government    used to try to pull from the air are increasingly transmitted    over the wire and through the United States, where the U.S.    government can often acquire them more reliably and    safely.  <\/p>\n<p>    That change in some ways enhances intelligence agencies    technical ability to safely acquire those foreign    communications. Because people around the world, including in    the United States, often use the same infrastructure and    services to communicate, it also increases the risk of    acquiring communications of U.S. persons or people within the    United States. Thats one big reason that close court    supervision is required  but that oversight can be    accomplished without requiring lengthy factual declarations and    individualized findings of probable    cause.  <\/p>\n<p>    Q. On that note, lets discuss in more detail one of the        proposed reforms: a     warrant requirement to query the database of    information already collected under Section 702 for U.S. person    information. Is there precedent for imposing such a    requirement? Do you think it would be a valuable modification    to the program?  <\/p>\n<p>    Requiring a warrant to search previously collected data    for U.S. person information is a good idea. I dont think its    clear that the Constitution requires it. But thats not the end    of the inquiry.  <\/p>\n<p>    For example, when the     Electronic Communications Privacy Act    was enacted, there was not general agreement that the    Constitution required a    warrant to search the contents of email messages a user stores    with their service provider, but Congress nonetheless imposed a    statutory requirement to provide the same level of protection    based on a     policy goal of extending a Fourth    Amendment level of protection to electronic    communications.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its also helpful to remember that the U.S. government    was conducting national security surveillance before FISA     without orders, warrants, or any other involvement of judges.    When Congress first enacted FISA, there was no    consensus that the Executive branch required a warrant to    conduct foreign intelligence surveillance. People dont    appreciate this now, but FISA brought national security    surveillance under judicial supervision. So while the    Constitution sets a minimum standard when it comes to civil    rights and limits on the government, Congress can go further,    and has done so for policy reasons in the    past.  <\/p>\n<p>    There is a case for Congress to do that now. It is    essential for Americans to have confidence in their government    and particularly in their law enforcement and intelligence    agencies commitment to protecting Americans rights.    Particularly given the skepticism that currently pervades    American society, requiring the government to establish    probable cause and obtain judicial approval before searching    for a U.S. persons communications within previously collected    material would bolster that confidence and is a relatively    light burden on the government.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yes, search warrants take time, and FISA search warrants    can be onerous to draft (which is in part the responsibility of    DOJ to fix). But when you think about how much     702-acquired data the government may be    sitting on and how long it may keep it, you can see how        practitioners and the public alike would    be concerned that collecting all of that information without    probable cause or a warrant based on targeting of    non-U.S. persons, and then searching    that information for U.S. person information with no further    approvals, could be seen as an end-around the warrant    requirement. I dont personally see it that way, but a        warrant requirement (with an emergency    exception) is a small price to pay to earn and maintain the    confidence of the American people in their national security    institutions.  <\/p>\n<p>    Q. Some have argued that imposing a warrant requirement for    U.S. person queries of the Section 702 database is too        onerous. Given your extensive experience in    obtaining both FISA and non-FISA warrants, can you walk us    through what this would really mean in practice?  <\/p>\n<p>    Obtaining a criminal search warrant is usually a fairly    straightforward process. When I was a local and federal    prosecutor, my detective or agent and I would draft an    affidavit that was accurate and established probable cause. For    physical search warrants, such as a search of a residence,    there might be discussions with supervisors about officer    safety, means of entry, strategic considerations about alerting    the target, the permissible scope of the search, or the    potential for media attention. Other than my first several    warrants as a junior Assistant District Attorney, I dont    remember having a supervisor flyspeck an affidavit or ask for    more factual detail. For search warrants targeting electronic    communications accounts like email and social media, the    process and timeframe for obtaining a warrant were quick and    smooth.  <\/p>\n<p>    In contrast, it is well-known that writing a FISA    application and getting it approved for submission is hard and    takes a long time. Part of this is by design, and is a    purposeful safeguard given the classified nature    of the proceedings. Every FISA application has to be approved    by the Attorney General (AG), Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or    Assistant Attorney General (AAG) for National Security, and has    to be certified by the FBI Director or a similar official at an    intelligence agency. The     legislative history from the 1970s    indicates that part of the reason for the high-level approvals    is to ensure quality control as well as individual    accountability; no one wants to bring a substandard or    under-investigated application to a high-level official.  <\/p>\n<p>    Another reason for this difference is that criminal    search warrants are much more likely than FISA orders to be    unsealed and revealed to the target at some point. If the    execution of a criminal warrant reveals evidence that is later    used to charge and prosecute a defendant, the affidavit and    warrant are disclosed to the defendant, who can challenge their    sufficiency in a motion to suppress evidence. Criminal warrants    to search premises or physical property are often provided to    the target at or near the time of a search. Criminal warrants    to search electronic communications accounts may be subject to    non-disclosure orders, but those orders are usually not    indefinite and most providers will notify targets when a    non-disclosure order elapses and is not renewed. FISA orders,    in contrast, usually do not produce evidence that is used in    criminal cases and by default remain classified. In fact, even    when evidence acquired through a FISA order is used in a    criminal case, the order and supporting materials are neither    provided to the defendant nor made available to the public.    Rather, if a defendant moves to suppress FISA-acquired    evidence,     the judge who hears the motion reviews the FISA    materials without the involvement of the    defense.  <\/p>\n<p>    As a result of these considerations, lessons learned from    negative experiences, and, to an extent, bureaucratic inertia,    the amount of detail that FISA applications contain has grown    to far exceed what would be included in an ordinary criminal    search warrant application. This comes at a cost. DOJ attorneys    and FBI agents spend substantial time taking questions from    supervisors, finding answers, and incorporating new facts into    lengthy declarations. And every new detail is an opportunity    for an     inaccurate or unsupported statement,    whether or not the statement is material. Successive rounds of    editorial and supervisory reviews add additional time to the    process. Each extra requirement, whether official or    unofficial, comes from a good place  a desire to avoid    mistakes, an appropriate response to prior errors, anticipating    supervisors questions ,, but they add up can result in    extremely lengthy applications that take weeks to    prepare. In short, there are some good reasons to have    more controls and more review for FISA applications than    criminal ones, but it would be worth stepping back and    revisiting whether the current system is optimal.  <\/p>\n<p>    In any event, if Congress does add a warrant requirement,    it is likely to contain an emergency exception. In fact, the    PCLOB recently     recommended individualized judicial    review and authorization by the FISC for all U.S. person    queries with exceptions limited to consenting U.S. persons or    exigent circumstances. Moreover, FISA itself allows the AG,    DAG, or AAG to authorize emergency authorities under specific    conditions and seek retroactive approval from the court. Fourth    Amendment jurisprudence provides an additional exception to the    warrant requirement under circumstances such as imminent    threats to life and safety. It would therefore be important and    reasonable for a new warrant requirement to allow law    enforcement to move quickly in the event of an imminent    threat.  <\/p>\n<p>    In that regard, it is important to bear in mind that    Section 702 targets overseas    threats to U.S. security such as international terrorism.    If investigators urgently need to access a U.S. persons    communications that were collected under Section 702, that    could mean that a potential terrorism threat is crossing the    border into the United States (physically, electronically, or    otherwise). That is the exact situation in which we need an    efficient process in place to allow law enforcement to get the    information they need consistent with Constitutional    considerations.  <\/p>\n<p>    A warrant requirement that contained an emergency    provision with retroactive approval would provide the    accountability needed to maintain public confidence. If    configured and implemented properly, it would allow officers to    obtain the information they need and move as quickly as    necessary, just as they have historically done in the criminal    law enforcement    sphere.  <\/p>\n<p>        4th Amendment, Biden administration, communications, Congress, Department of Justice (DOJ), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI),        FISA Section 702, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA),        intelligence community, national security, Right to Privacy, Surveillance, United States      <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more from the original source:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.justsecurity.org\/89387\/expert-qa-with-david-aaron-on-fisa-section-702-reauthorization-and-reform\" title=\"Expert Q&A with David Aaron on FISA Section 702 Reauthorization ... - Just Security\" rel=\"noopener\">Expert Q&A with David Aaron on FISA Section 702 Reauthorization ... - Just Security<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Editors Note: This is part of a multi-part series on theFISA Section 702reauthorization and reform debate. 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