{"id":1118361,"date":"2023-10-09T00:22:04","date_gmt":"2023-10-09T04:22:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/14th-amendment-section-3-the-debate-over-taking-trump-off-the-vox-com\/"},"modified":"2023-10-09T00:22:04","modified_gmt":"2023-10-09T04:22:04","slug":"14th-amendment-section-3-the-debate-over-taking-trump-off-the-vox-com","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/federalist\/14th-amendment-section-3-the-debate-over-taking-trump-off-the-vox-com\/","title":{"rendered":"14th Amendment, Section 3: The debate over taking Trump off the &#8230; &#8211; Vox.com"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Should Donald Trump even be allowed on the ballot in    2024?  <\/p>\n<p>    Some of the countrys     most prominent legal experts, and a small number of    activists and politicians, argue he shouldnt  and some have    filed lawsuits trying to strike Trumps name from ballots.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet most in the Democratic Party are keeping a wary distance    from the effort. And other experts argue that such actions,    intended to save American democracy, might in fact imperil it    even further.  <\/p>\n<p>    The argument for disqualifying Trump hinges on Section 3 of the    14th Amendment to the US Constitution, and its proponents argue    that its plain language disqualifies Trump, who they say    engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the    Constitution, from holding office again.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some go so far as     to argue that secretaries of state should simply declare    Trump ineligible and take him off their ballots  but so far,    none     have been willing to do so. Instead, then, the hunt is on    to find a judge who will do it.  <\/p>\n<p>    To be clear: It seems extremely unlikely that Trump actually    will be disqualified, since the Supreme    Court will get the final say over any challenge, and    theyll likely nix this whole endeavor.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet the very existence of the effort raises difficult questions    about how a democracy should deal with the threat of a    candidate like Trump, who retains a good deal of popular    support, but who attempted to steal the 2020 election and talks constantly about     having his political opponents imprisoned.  <\/p>\n<p>    A Trump win in 2024 would be deeply dangerous for American    democracy. Yet taking away voters option to choose him would    pose its own perils. It would inevitably be seen as blatant    election theft by much of the country  which would trigger    responses, both from Republicans in office and Trump supporters    on the ground, that could degrade democracy even more severely.  <\/p>\n<p>    The 14th    Amendment was ratified in 1868, just after the Civil War,    and was meant to deal with its fallout. Some of its provisions    were later used as the foundation of     modern civil rights law. Section 3 is about a different    topic: whether former insurrectionists can hold public office.    Its relevant text is as follows:  <\/p>\n<p>      No person shall  hold any office, civil or military, under      the United States  who, having previously taken an oath  as      an officer of the United States  to support the Constitution      of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or      rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the      enemies thereof.    <\/p>\n<p>    Days after the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, some    law professors     began     suggesting that this meant that Trump, and other    Republicans whom they viewed as complicit in the insurrection,    should be barred from office.  <\/p>\n<p>    Liberal advocacy groups took up the charge in 2022, suing    unsuccessfully to try to get Rep.     Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and three     Arizona Republican candidates taken off the ballot. Their    arguments did prevail in one case, though: A     New Mexico judge removed County Commissioner Couy Griffin    from his post. (Unlike Greene, Griffin had unlawfully entered    the Capitol on January 6 and had been convicted of    trespassing.) That marked the first successful use of Section 3    since 1919.  <\/p>\n<p>    This was all warmup to taking on Trump. This August, law    professors William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen released a    126-page    forthcoming law review article on Section 3. They    concluded, after a year of studying the topic, that Section 3    sets out a sweeping disqualification standard that excludes    Trump and potentially many others from holding office.  <\/p>\n<p>    The article     got enormous attention, in part because Baude and Paulsen    are conservatives, and because it was     quickly endorsed by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe    and conservative former judge J. Michael Luttig, two of the    countrys biggest legal names.     Steven Calabresi, a founder and co-chair of the board of    the Federalist Society, also initially said he was convinced     though he     changed his mind a month later.  <\/p>\n<p>    Baude and Paulsen also raised eyebrows for arguing that, per    their legal analysis, state election officials should act to    take Trump off the ballot now  rather than waiting    for Congress or judges to do it. Section 3 is    self-executing, they argue, so state officials need to obey    it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Democratic secretaries of state     have not taken the initiative, though, saying this is a    matter for the courts. And with a few exceptions  Rep. Jamie    Raskin (D-MD) recently opined that Trump     is disqualified from running  most Democratic politicians    have kept a wary distance from this effort.  <\/p>\n<p>    As much as the party fears and loathes Trump, there is an    evident concern that striking him from the ballot would be    going too far. Either due to a commitment to democracy, a fear    of the explosive backlash that would follow such a move, or a    desire to make the effort look less partisan, Democrats like    Michigan Secretary of State     Jocelyn Benson are saying that its out of their hands, try    the courts instead.  <\/p>\n<p>    So now the hunt is on to find a judge who will declare Trump    ineligible to be president. Citizens for Responsibility and    Ethics in Washington (CREW), a longtime progressive advocacy    group, has filed suit in Colorado, where     a judge has said she hopes to rule on Trumps eligibility    by Thanksgiving. Free Speech for People, another progressive    advocacy group, has     filed suit in Minnesota.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even before this came lawsuits from Texas tax attorney John Anthony Castro, who is, at    least officially, a candidate for the GOP presidential    nomination in 2024. Shortly after he registered to run, he        filed a lawsuit citing Section 3 to try and get Trump taken    off the ballot. Hes since     filed similar suits in more than a dozen other states, and    constantly hypes    up his effort on the website formerly known as Twitter    (They finally realized Im not fu**ing around. Too late, beta    boys, he     wrote recently). The Supreme Court recently declined to        take up one of Castros appeals, but his other suits are    still alive for now.  <\/p>\n<p>    Still, the Supreme Court is the ultimate destination for all of    this wrangling, and it has a six-justice conservative majority,    three of whom were appointed by Trump. Even before getting into    the legal specifics, thats enough reason to be deeply    skeptical that the Court would ban Trump from running again.  <\/p>\n<p>    The legal debates here can be abstruse. They feature attempts    to divine the intent of politicians during the 1860s,    discussions on how     seriously to take an 1869 circuit court opinion by Chief    Justice Salmon Chase, and     slippery slope hypotheticals about how disqualification        could later be abused in different situations.  <\/p>\n<p>    So lets zoom out and ask the real question at the heart of all    this: Would disqualifying Trump from the ballot in this way be    a good idea, or would it be its own sort of affront to    democracy?  <\/p>\n<p>    Many democracies have struggled with the question of how to    deal with a threat to democracy rising through the electoral    system, and there are no easy answers. I spoke with Harvard    political scientists Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt, who    just co-authored     a book,     Tyranny of the Minority, on the USs democratic    crisis, about the options.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ziblatt noted Hans Kelsen, an Austrian legal theorist in the    1930s, who he said made the case that if you really believe in    democracy, you have to be willing to go down on a sinking ship    and come back another day. In Kelsens view, the only    defensible solution to authoritarians rising in the democratic    system is to beat them at the ballot box.  <\/p>\n<p>    With the rise of the Nazis, that thinking obviously didnt age    well, said Ziblatt. I think thats naive, he said. This idea    that we need to just stand by and let our democracy come under    assault and hope everything will work out  it turned out not    to work out.  <\/p>\n<p>    So the post-World War II German constitution set up a procedure    and a legal framework by which certain politicians or parties    deemed dangerous to the constitution could be restricted from    running for office. Its a very complex and highly regulated    procedure, said Ziblatt  involving federal and state offices,    a bureaucracy, court approval, and necessary legal steps     because disqualification is such a potentially dangerous and    powerful device.  <\/p>\n<p>    Other countries have adopted similar approaches, which are    known as militant democracy or defensive democracy. The    idea is to protect democracy by excluding the threats to it    from the political scene.  <\/p>\n<p>    The thinking is: Trump tried to destroy American democracy in    2020. If hes allowed to try again, theres good reason to    suspect hell do more damage. So why not stop him now?    Supporters of disqualifying Trump, like Luttig, argue that he    disqualified himself. The Constitution says insurrectionists    cant hold office, and we have a duty to uphold the    Constitution,     they claim.  <\/p>\n<p>    But the problem with the 14th Amendment option, both Levitsky    and Ziblatt told me, is that the US did not establish a    consistent procedure or institutional authority for excluding    candidates after the Civil War. We have no agreed-upon    institutional mechanism in place, no electoral authority, no    judicial body with precedent and practice that all the major    political forces agree should be empowered to make this    decision, Levitsky said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Long-standing institutions and procedures provide credibility;    ideally, they help assure the nation that these decisions    arent ad hoc, arbitrary, and politicized  as they are in many    countries. In Latin America, Levitsky says, disqualification is    often badly abused to exclude candidates the powers that be    simply dont want to win.  <\/p>\n<p>    In Trumps case, what would look to some like dutifully    standing up for the Constitution would look to many others like    an unprecedented intervention by elites into the electoral    process, based on a disputed interpretation of a 155-year-old,    rarely used provision  with the clear underlying motivation of    preventing voters from making a particular person the    president.  <\/p>\n<p>    Both professors blanched at the idea of partisan secretaries of    state taking Trump off the ballot on their own. Levitsky called    this deeply problematic, and Ziblatt said it would be very    fraught and dangerous and likely to lead to escalation.  <\/p>\n<p>    Pro-Trump secretaries of state would surely respond with their    own disqualifications of Democratic candidates in reprisal.    Indeed, Trumps supporters already caused chaos at the Capitol    when they wrongly believed the election was being    stolen from him, and theyre already disenchanted with American    institutions. What if Trump truly was prevented from even    running by questionable means? Things can always get worse and    more dangerous. Legal commentator Mark Herrmann compared    secretaries of state disqualifying Trump to     opening Pandoras Box.  <\/p>\n<p>    Given the lack of precedent, the much healthier path,    Levitsky said, would have been if the Republican Party had    managed to self-police by convicting Trump during his second    impeachment trial and blocked him from running again. They    didnt  and thats why were in this mess, debating whether    democracy can even survive another Trump presidency.  <\/p>\n<p>                Will you support Voxs explanatory journalism?      <\/p>\n<p>        Most news outlets make their money through advertising or        subscriptions. 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