{"id":1118129,"date":"2023-09-28T05:19:55","date_gmt":"2023-09-28T09:19:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/experts-debate-social-media-and-the-first-amendment-tech-policy-press\/"},"modified":"2023-09-28T05:19:55","modified_gmt":"2023-09-28T09:19:55","slug":"experts-debate-social-media-and-the-first-amendment-tech-policy-press","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/experts-debate-social-media-and-the-first-amendment-tech-policy-press\/","title":{"rendered":"Experts Debate Social Media and the First Amendment &#8211; Tech Policy Press"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Justin Hendrix is CEO and Editor of Tech Policy Press.  <\/p>\n<p>    On Friday, I attended a packed     lunchtime discussion hosted by the Harvard Law School    Rappaport Forum titled Censorship, Content Moderation, and the    First Amendment. The panel was moderated by Noah    Feldman,a Professor Law at Harvard. Speakers    included Jameel Jaffer,Adjunct Professor    of Law and Journalism at Columbia Law School & Executive    Director of the Knight First Amendment Institute, Columbia    University; and Daphne Keller,Lecturer    on Law at Stanford Law School & Director of the Program on    Platform Regulation at the Stanford Cyber Policy Center.  <\/p>\n<p>    The discussion focused on issues that may soon be considered by    the US Supreme Court, including the constitutionality of laws    passed in Texas and Florida that would prevent social media    platforms from taking action on certain political speech. In    August, the Biden administration     urged the Court to decide whether the laws are    constitutional, and it is expected to do so.  <\/p>\n<p>    And, the Rappaport Forum panel also considered Missouri v    Biden in light of the recent US Fifth Circuit Court of    Appeals     ruling against the Biden administration. That case concerns    what is permissible government persuasion and what is    impermissible coercion and significant encouragement when    lobbying social media companies to make certain content    moderation decisions. On Tuesday, the government asked the    Supreme Court to     pause a block on its contacts with social media companies,    while the plaintiffs     seek a rehearing of the Fifth Circuit decision to address    its scope.  <\/p>\n<p>    (For another compelling, recent perspective on the issues in    Missouri v Biden, I recommend reading former Twitter    trust and safety head Yoel Roths     essay, published today by the Knight First Amendment    Institute, which focuses on the portion of the Fifth Circuit    ruling concerning the FBI drawing on his personal experience.)  <\/p>\n<p>    With the Law Schools permission, Im publishing the transcript    of the Rappaport Forum discussion here, as it is a useful and    accessible way to engage with the issues at play. As the Knight    First Amendment Institutes Jaffer put it, the courts are    going to hear this full slew of cases over the next few years    relating to the governments power to influence or coerce or    expose the social media companies content moderation    decisions. And I think it hardly needs to be said that those    cases are going to have an immense effect on the character of    digital public sphere and therefore on our democracy as well.  <\/p>\n<p>    Id add only that the effects will extend well beyond the US,    since it will change the ways in which global social media    platforms conduct themselves when it comes to content    moderation and political speech. The implications may be even    more profound in countries far beyond the jurisdiction of US    courts.  <\/p>\n<p>    This transcript is lightly edited.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    I just want to say a word about the two leading topics that    well be talking about. And we will, Im sure expand beyond    just those topics. The first is a set of cases that are in    front of the US Supreme Court now that are being briefed and    will be argued this Supreme Court term and decided, one    expects, by the end of June, involving laws passed by Florida    and Texas that in their form regulate what social media    platforms may and may not do in their content moderation.  <\/p>\n<p>    And to oversimplify, each of these laws imposes on the    platforms something like the standard that the First Amendment    imposes on government in moderating content. As you know, that    standard and not just those of you who were in my First    Amendment class, welcome, glad youre here. We just had two    hours of First Amendment. So these are the real, the people    really committed to the First Amendment and I thank you for    coming.  <\/p>\n<p>    As you know, all of you, the standards that a private company    and the social media platforms are private companies, are    ordinarily held to, are not First Amendment standards. Because    the first amendment in the first instance only regulates the    government. These state laws therefore would put the content    moderation operations within those companies in a very    different position with respect to what they can and cannot    moderate than they presently are. It would require far, far    less moderation of things like hate speech and misinformation    and possibly even ordinary everyday offensiveness than they    practice under current circumstances. And the circuit courts of    appeals split on the constitutionality of those laws and thats    why its before the Supreme Court now.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hard to imagine a topic more important for free speech in the    United States today than what are the standards that the social    media platforms may or may not use to determine what content    can be on those platforms? And here that issue arises in direct    relationship to the First Amendment.  <\/p>\n<p>    The other is also before the Supreme Court, but in a slightly    different procedural posture, if youll forgive the legalese.    It is a case involving an argument by individuals whose content    was taken down from social media sites for violating their    rules on COVID misinformation. Who alleged in district court    where they won a preliminary injunction. That the Biden    administration convinced by means of encouragement and even    coercion the platforms to take down their content by    fine-tuning their content moderation misinformation standards    to prohibit what they were doing.  <\/p>\n<p>    The US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit partly upheld a    preliminary injunction issued by the lower court. It narrowed    it down to just the Biden administration and not people in the    CDC and the Supreme Court decided to stay that order until I    think four oclock today and gave until the end of the day    Wednesday for people to submit briefs. So its very probable    that before you go off to your happy hours this evening, there    will be a Supreme Court decision on this fascinating and rich    issue, which sometimes we use the shorthand to call it, we call    it jawbone. I actually dont know the intellectual origins of    that phrase because it sounds to me like Samson and the jawbone    of the ass, and that didnt end well for the Philistines.  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    It is.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Is that actually the origin? I always thought it had something    to do with the fact that you talk out of your jaw, but I guess    not. If so, its a very loaded metaphor, I guess it assumes a    conclusion.  <\/p>\n<p>    But what is meant is circumstances where government officials    use persuasion, and persuasion that may go up to the line, will    cross the line of coercive persuasion to the point where the    decision to remove the speech becomes in law the speech of the    government. And by becoming the speech of the government, is    regulated by the First Amendment. Okay, so for those of you who    havent taken First Amendment or havent taken it recently, the    idea is that the government ordinarily can say whatever it    likes, but it cant stop people from speaking. Private parties    can stop other private parties from speaking and theyre not    stopped by the First Amendment from doing so.  <\/p>\n<p>    But if the private party, the social media company, removes the    speech of another private person and does so because the    government made them do it, then at that point it becomes the    governments speech Act and then it cannot lawfully be    performed. It wouldve been fine on that theory if the    platforms did it themselves, but its not constitutional if    they did it by being pushed into it according to some complex    legal standard by the government. Without further ado, Daphne,    the floor is yours.  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    Thank you so much and thank you to Harvard and the Rappaport    Forum for hosting us here.  <\/p>\n<p>    So Ive been practicing platform speech law for a long, long    time and Ive been teaching it for 11 years, I just realized.    And when I started teaching it, every single class was on the    topic that lawyers call intermediary liability. So thats the    question of when the law can or should require platforms to    take down user speech because that speech or that content is    unlawful and its doing harm in violating the law by being    distributed further by the platforms. And every year that I    teach for the past five or six years, Ive had to drop a day of    talking about that question, which is when does the law require    platforms to silence their users? And add more material about    the opposite question, which is when can the law stop platforms    from silencing their users?  <\/p>\n<p>    Are there situations where there can be, what we call must    carry laws compelling platforms to carry speech against their    will because a government body has decided that thats whats    in the public interest? And as we know from Noahs    introduction, in these cases coming out of Texas and Florida,    that theyre likely to go to the Supreme Court soon, those    states are asserting the right to compel platforms to carry    speech that they dont want to. But lest you think that other    issue has gone away, there have been three state laws requiring    platforms, effectively requiring them to take down user speech    that got struck down as unconstitutional in the past two and a    half weeks. So there is a lot of action on both sides of this.    When does the law make platform silence people? When does it    compel them to let people speak? And its a very complicated    set of issues because there really are speech considerations on    all sides.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is quite understandable that people want to be able to talk    in some of the most important public forums of our age and they    dont like it when a giant corporation stops them from doing    that. That is not surprising and while it is passed as    politically an issue of concern to the right and to Republicans    right now, I think it is absolutely a bipartisan issue.    Liberals dont like being silenced by corporations either. It    is, I think unsurprising that were seeing the great wave of    regulation right now, including the three state laws that were    just struck down and the Texas and Florida laws, because were    in this historically unprecedented situation of very    concentrated power over public discourse and private discourse.    The things that we once would have said to each other in a    church or a bar or a note passed in class are instead passed    through these private companies and transmitted digitally.  <\/p>\n<p>    And that introduces both a greater capacity for control because    theyre there at all, because its a centralized power and    because they can have tools that automatically detect what    words you use and automatically, if inaccurately you suppress    things. So its unprecedented power and because it is private    power, the tools to defend users rights from surveillance    under the Fourth Amendment and from censorship under the First    Amendment, those legal tools dont work or they dont If they    work, we dont know how they work yet because the idea of    applying them to private actors in the way that some advocates    want to do now is unprecedented, is unexplored territory,    figuring out how that could possibly work.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think I want to suggest that there is a problem in the way    that states have responded to this concentration of power, and    that this is a problem that appears on the right and the left.    Again, I think a lot of this gets passed as partisan and isnt    necessarily. The problem is that regulators say, Wow, private    companies, YouTube, Facebook, Google, you have so much control    over discourse, its terrible. Were going to have to take that    over and tell you how to use it. So instead of saying,    Theres a concentration of power, lets undo the concentration    of power, which is conceivable through interoperability    mandates or through changes in privacy law. Instead of taking    that approach, the approach that you get from both the left and    the right is to say, use your power in the following way. Use    it to take down more of this kind of speech or use it to keep    up more of this kind of speech.  <\/p>\n<p>    And I want to drive home that, the Texas and Florida laws,    although they get called must carry laws and Texas and Florida    themselves claimed that they are common carriage laws, which    suggests that the platforms are supposed to just carry    everything that people say, they actually introduced some    pretty significant state preferences about speech. They are not    content neutral, theyre not speaker neutral and they    incentivize platforms to do things that will suppress speech as    well as maybe carrying more speech. So, one way that that works    is Texass law has a mandate to be viewpoint neutral when    platforms are deciding what content to take down. If they want    to take down anti-racist content, then they have to also, and I    said that backwards. If they want to take down racist content,    they also have to leave up anti-racist content. You pick your    really difficult issue and theyre supposed to carry speech on    both sides of it. If they want to take down pro-anorexia    content aimed at teenagers, they might have to take down    anti-anorexia content aimed at teenagers.  <\/p>\n<p>    What that does for listeners, if youre on the internet and you    wanted to follow a speaker you already respect or learn about    something, is as the cost of accessing the information you    want, which maybe is the anti-racist speech, you have to also    put up with this state mandated inclusion of the stuff that you    didnt want. So it is very much changing what it is that users    can see and read online at state behest in a way that raises    questions, not just about platforms rights to decide what to    do, but about users rights to speak or rather to access    information online. It is also, I think, quite likely speaking    as a former platform lawyer, that if the platform is trying to    decide how to comply with the viewpoint neutrality mandate,    theyll say, You know what? Id rather have no one talking    about racism at all than have to carry both the pro-racist and    the anti-racist viewpoints. So Im just going to take down a    whole lot more speech than I used to. And thats the    consequence of this, the nominally pro-free expression law in    Texas.  <\/p>\n<p>    I can tell you more about ways in which I think the laws more    in the weeds to introduce state preferences for speech, but    hopefully that sets out the basics of it. I have about three    more minutes, right? All right. I think theres an underlying    problem here or an underlying difficulty, which is about what    in the trade gets called lawful but awful speech. This is this    very large category of speech and I had an article in the    UChicago Law Review going into more depth on this, that is    legal, its protected by the First Amendment, thats probably    not going to change. But it is also morally abhorrent to many    people, it violates social norms and they dont want to see it.    So the pro-anorexia content, the pro-suicide content, the    beheading videos, the Holocaust denial, the list is very long,    and its very ugly.  <\/p>\n<p>    If we dont want to see that content on the internet, we cant    use the law to make it go away. And so where weve been so far    is were stuck having private companies come up with rules and    enforcing the rules that theres economic demand for and social    demand for, but nobody likes that either because of this    concentration of power issue. And so the deeper question I    think is, how to deal with that. And the answer cant be, or I    hope it cant be, Well, well just ban a bunch more speech. If    we will use the law to restrict all this stuff that is    currently First Amendment protected. Or theres a version of    that that says, You can still say all that stuff offline, but    if you say it on platforms, its more dangerous, so they have    to take it down. And maybe the FCC will administer a new set    of rules for previously lawful speech and say platforms have to    take it down.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are a lot of directions you could go to use legal power    to address that. And I think theyre all pretty scary. And so I    am much more interested in approaches that go back to this idea    of maybe lets not have that concentration of power. Lets    build what my Stanford colleague Francis Fukuyama calls    middleware or what other people call it, adversarial    interoperability or competitive compatibility. Which is finding    ways to make it so that internet users can decide for    themselves what speech rules they want to be subject to and    have a competitive marketplace of different providers coming    along, letting you select the Disney flavor of YouTube or the    version of Twitter that is curated by a Black Lives Matter    affiliated group or the combination or something from your    church. There are all these ways to layer competing speech    rules on top of existing platforms that I think can take us    away from this idea that there has to be just one set of rules    and the government gets to say what its going to be.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Thank you so much, Daphne. On that last topic, itll be    interesting to talk about A, whether that puts people into    filter bubbles and B, whether were not actually seeing the    market competition now in the way that, the company formerly    known as Twitter, now has radically different rules of    engagement than it did previously and is yet were in    competition with other factors. Jameel.  <\/p>\n<p>    Jameel Jaffer:  <\/p>\n<p>    So I totally disagree with everything that Daphne said.  <\/p>\n<p>    No, its really a privilege to be up here with Daphne and Noah    who are both wonderful people and really smart thinkers on this    set of issues. I do need to correct one thing that Noah said. I    did not, in fact, dream up the Knight Institute. It was    Columbia University and the Knight Foundation that dreamt it up    and then made the mistake of hiring me to build the institute.    So as youve already heard, the courts are going to hear this    full slew of cases over the next few years relating to the    governments power to influence or coerce or expose the social    media companies content moderation decisions. And I think it    hardly needs to be said that those cases are going to have an    immense effect on the character of digital public sphere and    therefore on our democracy as well.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some of those cases have already been mentioned, in Florida and    Texas. We have these laws that require the social media    companies to carry content that they would rather not carry.    The laws also limit the use of recommendation algorithms, they    require the companies to dispose all sorts of information to    their users and to the public. Theres also this Missouri case    that Noah referred to where users have sued the Biden    administration over its efforts to coerce the platforms or    influence the platforms into taking down what the    administration saw as vaccine disinformation. I would put into    this category of cases, also the TikTok cases where the Montana    has banned TikTok altogether from operating in the state. And    one way to think about that law is as the most extreme content    moderation where TikTok cant serve any content at all to its    users. There are lots of other cases Daphne referred to some    of them. Lots of other cases in the lower courts right now that    raise these kinds of issues. I think that the plaintiffs have a    pretty good chance of prevailing in most of those cases.  <\/p>\n<p>    And in my view, the plaintiffs probably should prevail in most    of those cases. Because most of them involve what I think can    fairly be described as government efforts to rig public    discourse. And that is precisely what the First Amendment was    meant to protect against. But I think that it matters a lot how    the courts resolve those cases, how the plaintiffs win those    cases. Im worried that the courts are constructing a First    Amendment that sees every regulatory intervention in this    sphere as a form of censorship. And I dont think that that    version of the First Amendment would serve free speech or    democracy very well. In my view, the First Amendment should be    able to distinguish between regulation that undermines the    values that the First Amendment was meant to serve. Values like    accountability and tolerance, self-government and interventions    that promote those values. The First Amendment needs to be able    to distinguish those two categories of interventions.  <\/p>\n<p>    And of course its important that the First Amendment be    attentive to the possibility that any intervention in this    sphere is an effort to distort public discourse, or that the    intervention will have that effect. And I dont want to move    past that too quickly. I think thats hugely important, if you    doubt the importance of that, just look around the world at the    way that fake news laws are being used now against journalists.    So I think its hugely important that First Amendment doctrine    continue to be attentive to the possibility that any regulation    in this sphere has that intent or that effect. But I do think    it would be a sad thing and something terrible for our    democracy if the courts constructed a First Amendment that was    indiscriminately deregulatory. A First Amendment that left    essentially no space for regulatory intervention at all, even    intervention that might be important to protecting the    integrity or the vitality of the digital public sphere.  <\/p>\n<p>    So I think its worth taking a close look at some of the    arguments that the social media companies and the technology    companies, more broadly, are making in these cases that we have    identified already. So one of the arguments is that, the    collection of user data is speech within the meaning of the    First Amendment. Another is that, any regulatory intervention    that implicates the platforms editorial judgment has to be    subject to the most stringent form of constitutional review.    Another argument is that, any regulatory intervention that    focuses specifically on social media companies should be    subject for that reason to the most stringent form of    constitutional review. And then finally, any regulation that    would be unconstitutional if applied to newspapers must also be    unconstitutional if its applied to social media companies. So    its not surprising that you see social media companies making    those arguments. What business wouldnt want to be totally    beyond the reach of regulation?  <\/p>\n<p>    So I understand and appreciate why theyre making these    arguments. But if courts accept those arguments, its not just    the bad laws that we have already identified that will be    struck down, its also good laws. Those kinds of arguments will    preempt legislatures from passing laws that I think most of us,    no matter what our political views are, would agree make sense.    Privacy laws for example, that would restrict what data the    platforms can collect and what they can do with that data.    Interoperability laws, which Daphne already mentioned, that    might make it possible for third parties to build on top of the    networks that the social media companies have created.    Transparency laws that would allow the public to better    understand what effect the platforms engineering decisions are    having on public discourse. Or process oriented laws that would    give users whose speech is taken down the right to an    explanation or the right to appeal that decision.  <\/p>\n<p>    Now, I know Noah wants me to make this argument in the    strongest possible way, but I need to caveat it in one respect    at least, which is that, the details are going to matter a lot.    Im not making the argument that every transparency law is    necessarily constitutional. Again, its important that the    courts be attentive not just to the reasons why legislatures    are passing these laws, but to the actual effect that the laws    are likely to have on First Amendment actors exercise of    editorial judgment. But a First Amendment that precluded any    and all regulation of social media platforms would make the    First Amendment, I think the enemy of the values that we need    the First Amendment to protect. Should I stop there or do I    have a couple more minutes? You want me to-  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    You can go on for another minute.  <\/p>\n<p>    Jameel Jaffer:  <\/p>\n<p>    Yeah. Okay, well only-  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Say something provocative.  <\/p>\n<p>    Jameel Jaffer:  <\/p>\n<p>    Okay. All right.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    The last time I had a discussion with Jameel, we got into a    yelling argument that took an hour and a half and its all on    video somewhere.  <\/p>\n<p>    Jameel Jaffer:  <\/p>\n<p>    You werent the moderator.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    I wasnt the moderator, thats true.  <\/p>\n<p>    Jameel Jaffer:  <\/p>\n<p>    I guess the only thing, maybe this will sharpen the argument    slightly. So the argument that the First Amendment shouldnt    make any distinction between newspapers say and social media    companies seems especially misguided to me. Theres no question    in my mind that social media companies exercise editorial    judgment. They make judgments all the time about the relative    value of different categories of speech that seems like    editorial judgment of the kind that, or at least analogous to    the kinds of judgments that newspapers make about what should    appear in their pages or that parade organizers make when they    decide which floats can appear in the parade, that seems like a    form of editorial judgment to me. But the relationship that a    social media company has, to the speech that appears on its    platform is different from the relationship that a newspaper    has to the speech that appears in its pages. To say that    another way, both of these kinds of actors exercise editorial    judgment, but they exercise editorial judgment in different    ways.  <\/p>\n<p>    And those differences I think should matter to the First    Amendment analysis. Why dont I leave it there? I can say more    on that.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Great. I would love to ask a question to both of you that    derives from something that Jameel said, but I think its    relevant to both of your comments. And that is the question of    why we have a First Amendment in the first place at all. So I    think you said in passing Jameel that the whole point of the    First Amendment is to avoid the government distorting free    speech or rigging what discourse is out there is the public.    And I want to push back from the standpoint of the people who    passed the Florida and Texas laws. I think what they would say    is, Thats not the main purpose of the First Amendment,    although it might be a purpose. The main purpose of the First    Amendment isnt to enable people to speak freely. And nowadays,    the place that people speak is on social media. And as platform    lawyers certainly know, and everyone who uses social media    knows, an enormous amount of content that you might want to say    on social media, you cant.  <\/p>\n<p>    It gets taken down and the more controversial you are, the more    quick they are to take it down. And so from that perspective,    if the government cant tell social media to allow free speech,    and if you cant define free speech by saying, Were not going    to make up a special definition for you, were just going to    use the definition that the courts make us use, how on earth    can that be in violation of the principles of the First    Amendment? It seems like the only way it could be is if you    think something that you guys both claim not to think, I think,    which is that, the platforms are not just like newspapers who    can say whatever they want.  <\/p>\n<p>    So if theyre not like newspapers, what could possibly be wrong    with Florida or Texas saying, You know what guys? Youre    subject to the same standards that were subject to. And the    reason for that is that the First Amendment is about maximizing    peoples capacity to communicate and you are in the real world,    the thing that stands between this generation and the    possibility of free speech. So I would like each of you to    address that.  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    So thats not what they said though.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Well, lets reconstruct it in the strongest argument that they    could. Lets then just imagine a statute which is a variant on    this, these statutes that just says, The platforms may not do    anything that the government may not do with the regulation of    free speech. Is that constitutional in your view?  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    I dont think so.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Thats what I thought.  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    And so to be clear, the difference is, so Florida says, You    have to let politicians say anything and journalists say    anything. So it is picking winners as speakers and giving them    special privileges. And I think those are important special    speakers too, but the way they do it is very clumsy. And then    Texas says, You have to be viewpoint neutral, but actually you    dont have to be viewpoint neutral as to these things we think    are really bad, you can just take that down.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Just imagine they did it well.  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    Yeah. So, instead were imagining a law that says theres a    common carriage law, which is what Texas and Florida claim they    have, which says, You have to carry every single thing period.    Or you have to carry every single thing thats legal. And so    if you know somethings illegal, take that down, but you have    to carry everything else. I think one, I guess, the    constitutionality, but man, those lawmakers constituents would    hate that. Their kids and grandparents and cousins and whatever    would go on YouTube and suddenly see a bunch of extreme porn or    go on TikTok and see a bunch of pro-suicide videos and think    this is not something people would actually be happy with. But    setting that aside, I think, so I have been focusing on the    speech rights of internet users and how theyre affected. But    here the impact on the speech rights of the platforms is quite    visible and quite extreme. Is taking away their ability to set    any editorial policy at all, which I think is clearly a First    Amendment problem. It also will, I think would be a .  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    But why? Because corporations deserve free speech rights?  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    Well, because we have a bunch of precedents saying that the    parade operators and the cable operators and so forth, various    commercial entities or non-commercial entities that just    aggregate third party speech and set some rules for it, they do    have First Amendment rights. So because the Supreme Court I    think is my main answer there. But I also think it would    destroy the   <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Can I just push back? I mean, what if the Supreme Court said    that, A parade is one thing, because can always make your own    parade. But I tried to make my own Facebook and I wasnt so    successful. So theyre not exactly like a parade, and so were    going to treat them differently. And I think Jameel thinks    that they should be treated differently from newspapers. So if    that were the case I mean I dont think, imagine the precedent    doesnt limit us here, because I personally dont think that it    does. Would you still think, if you were on the Supreme Court    and not bound by a precedent, do you believe that these giant    gajillion dollar multinational corporations that control all of    our speech have their own free speech to shut us up? Or thats    the question that Im asking.  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    Yes. Yes, they do. I dont think there should be-  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Why?  <\/p>\n<p>    Daphne Keller:  <\/p>\n<p>    There should be more of them. They shouldnt have the power    that they do, but they are providing a service that most users    want in curating the speech that they see. So its not a free    speech mosh pit, every day when you show up on Twitter or    YouTube or Facebook. And theyre doing that in expressing,    theyre expressing their own priorities about what speech is    good and bad in so doing. It seems like, I agree with you, the    court can just change it and maybe they will, and maybe thats    the world were heading for. So precedents not that important,    but I think that there is a First Amendment value being served    that would be served better with more competition, but its    definitely a First Amendment value.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    Jameel, and especially given that you think theres a    difference between the social media companies and newspapers, I    want to know what the principle is behind that difference.    Unless you are willing to allow the government to force the    social media companies to allow free speech.  <\/p>\n<p>    Jameel Jaffer:  <\/p>\n<p>    Well, I mean I think it depends. So the answer for newspapers,    the Supreme Court has already given us in a case called Miami    Herald. So there was a law that wouldve required newspapers to    run opposing viewpoints when they editorialize on certain    topics. And the Supreme Court struck it down, saying, You    cant force newspapers to publish opinions they disagree with    and to carry speech so they dont want to carry. And so the    question is, does that principle apply or apply with the same    force to social media companies? And I dont think it should. I    do think that there are circumstances in which legislatures    should be able to impose, must carry obligations on platforms    even if they couldnt impose the same ones on newspapers. Im    not totally unsympathetic to that aspect of the Florida law.    The Florida law says, the best version of the Florida law would    say, A couple of weeks before elections, the big social media    companies can take down political candidates posts only    according to, say, published procedural rules that are applied    generally and not just to political candidates or to a    particular subset of political candidates.  <\/p>\n<p>    Now, do I think that law might be constitutional because I    think the social media companies have no First Amendment rights    at issue here? No. I think the social media companies are    exercising editorial judgment as Daphne says, theyre just    exercising it in a different way than newspapers do. But the    fact that theyre exercising editorial judgment isnt the end    of the analysis. Then theres the question of, is the public    justification for overriding that editorial judgment strong    enough to justify overriding it? And I think you could make a    strong case or at least a plausible case, that in the weeks    before an election, the publics interest in hearing from    political candidates should prevail over the interests of    Facebook or TikTok in promoting the political candidates that    they might prefer at that particular moment in time.  <\/p>\n<p>    Now, the Florida law, Im not defending the Florida law. The    Florida law I think was passed in order to retaliate against    companies that were perceived to have a liberal bias. I dont    think there are any legislative findings in the Florida law to    justify the must carry provision I just described. But Im not    unsympathetic to that argument and I dont think we want a    first amendment that categorically precludes legislatures from    even considering those kinds of must carry provision.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noah Feldman:  <\/p>\n<p>    So can I push you just a tiny bit to what seems to me like it    would be the logical conclusion of that view? You say there has    to be a compelling governmental interest, fair. What about the    compelling governmental interest in the next generation of    people who communicate only on social media, for the most part,    having free speech? I mean, we dont have a public The Supreme    Court has said that the public sphere today is online and on    social media. So if you accept that, then I cant even imagine    an interest more compelling to override the supposed free    speech interests of these gajillion dollar corporations. I    think neither of you is jumping up and down about the idea that    all corporations have free speech rights, but well leave that    to one side.  <\/p>\n<p>    But the core idea would be that we cant have free speech    anymore if the platforms are treated as exercising the    editorial control. And you yourself, I mean, I think Im    expressing a view, its closer to your view than to mine,    because I tend to be on neither newspapers. But Im really    trying to articulate the counter view. Once youve conceded    that under some circumstances their editorial control can be    overridden, why not override it just all the way down the line    and lets just have free speech and we dont have to invent    some bad free speech law. 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