{"id":1118044,"date":"2023-09-25T19:39:45","date_gmt":"2023-09-25T23:39:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/d-c-appeals-court-weighs-whether-phone-seizures-from-2020-washington-times\/"},"modified":"2023-09-25T19:39:45","modified_gmt":"2023-09-25T23:39:45","slug":"d-c-appeals-court-weighs-whether-phone-seizures-from-2020-washington-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/d-c-appeals-court-weighs-whether-phone-seizures-from-2020-washington-times\/","title":{"rendered":"D.C. Appeals Court weighs whether phone seizures from 2020 &#8230; &#8211; Washington Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals heard arguments Thursday    about the constitutionally permitted length of police seizures    in a case brought by protesters whose phones have been    confiscated indefinitely since their arrests in the 2020 Black    Lives Matter demonstrations.  <\/p>\n<p>    The protesters want their phones back, and the central question    judges sought to hammer out was when a law enforcement    seizure must end or become a violation of the Fourth    Amendment.  <\/p>\n<p>    The American Civil Liberties Unions D.C. chapter argued on    behalf of a collection of protesters and freelance journalists    that a seizure is still active, and thus must pass Fourth    Amendment scrutiny, because the Metropolitan Police    Department remains in possession of the phones.  <\/p>\n<p>    Further, the ACLU argued, because the U.S. Attorneys Office in    the District either has settled or never brought criminal    charges against the 40-plus people arrested, there is no    investigative purpose for MPD to keep the    phones.   <\/p>\n<p>    However, the D.C.s Office of the Attorney General argued that    the seizure itself was legitimate and the question of when a    lawfully seized item must be returned to its owner is beyond    the scope of the Fourth Amendments guarantees against    unreasonable searches and seizures.  <\/p>\n<p>    Appellate judges expressed some understanding of the ACLUs    position, saying the seizure could still reasonably be    construed as ongoing.  <\/p>\n<p>    It may have been OK initially, but youre still holding this    many months later for no reason, Senior Circuit Judge Harry    Edwards said to OAG attorney Marcella Coburn.  <\/p>\n<p>    Judge Edwards added that the governments seizure and continued    possession of the phones sounded like a Fourth Amendment    problem.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ms. Coburn countered by saying the manner in which the phones    were first seized  when the protesters were accused of felony    rioting in 2020  was justified, as a district court judge    agreed.  <\/p>\n<p>    In an opinion issued last August, the U.S. District Court said    case law cited by the ACLU to argue Fourth Amendment violations    related to how police performed searches and seizures on those    who hadnt been accused of a crime.  <\/p>\n<p>    But in this case, the protesters had their phones taken when    arrested, meaning the case law they were citing didnt apply.  <\/p>\n<p>    As discussed, every Circuit has held that the Fourth Amendment    does not protect against the prolonged retention of lawfully    seized property, Judge Amit Priyavadan Mehta wrote in his    opinion at the time. Plaintiffs have not cited a single case    that says otherwise.  <\/p>\n<p>    Appeals Court Judge Gregory Katsas on Thursday asked Ms. Coburn    whether the government has an obligation to return the property    it seizes from people who are arrested but not criminally    charged.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ms. Coburn agreed, but said it was applicable under Rule 41(g)    of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, not the Fourth    Amendment grounds the plaintiffs were arguing.  <\/p>\n<p>    She argued further that the ACLUs position, if backed by the    court, could elevate every unreasonable refusal to return    property after a lawful seizure into a Fourth Amendment    violation.  <\/p>\n<p>    Judges were unsure whether Rule 41(g)  which stipulates that    [a] person aggrieved by an unlawful search and seizure of    property or by the deprivation of property may move for the    propertys return  would apply to the civil case brought by    the ACLU.  <\/p>\n<p>    ACLU attorney Michael Perloff agreed that some of the    plaintiffs were confused about how to go about that process    since they didnt have criminal cases brought against them.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr. Perloff said the Fourth Amendment doesnt prevent the    government from holding onto property for a few hours or even    days to secure a search warrant, but it does prevent law    enforcement officials from keeping property as long as they    please.  <\/p>\n<p>    It has been more than three years since some of the plaintiffs    were arrested in August 2020.  <\/p>\n<p>    The plaintiffs attorney argued that the Supreme Court has said    in United States v. Place that taking someones property and    not telling the person how to get it back infringes on their    liberty regardless of the context in which it occurs.  <\/p>\n<p>    While the named plaintiffs did get their phones after months    of seizure, the Metropolitan Police    Department has still not given us any information    indicating that it returned the phones to the rest of the    protestors, Mr. Perloff told The Washington Times in a    statement.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is concerning because, given the pending litigation, we    would think MPD would have    provided us with information to that effect if the phones had    been returned, he said.  <\/p>\n<p>    The court did not announce when it would release its decision    in the case.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtontimes.com\/news\/2023\/sep\/21\/dc-appeals-court-weighs-whether-phone-seizures-202\" title=\"D.C. 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