{"id":1117358,"date":"2023-08-26T04:06:05","date_gmt":"2023-08-26T08:06:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/analysis-aclu-warns-of-government-overreach-in-second-the-reload\/"},"modified":"2023-08-26T04:06:05","modified_gmt":"2023-08-26T08:06:05","slug":"analysis-aclu-warns-of-government-overreach-in-second-the-reload","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/second-amendment\/analysis-aclu-warns-of-government-overreach-in-second-the-reload\/","title":{"rendered":"Analysis: ACLU Warns of Government Overreach in Second &#8230; &#8211; The Reload"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) believes the    restraining order gun ban is constitutional, but, more    interestingly, the liberal group also thinks some gun laws    arent.  <\/p>\n<p>    On Monday,     the ACLU filed a brief inUnited States v.    Rahimithat asks the Supreme Court to reverse a Fifth    Circuit ruling that struck down the prohibition on those    subject to domestic violence restraining orders possessing    guns. But they also said the power     claimed by the Government in its brief was dangerously    broad. And it went on to question the constitutionality of    numerous gun laws both on their face and as theyre applied in    practice.  <\/p>\n<p>    The historical record is replete with relevant analogues, from    17th century England to the colonial era to Reconstruction, in    which governments restricted gun possession by persons    individually adjudged to pose a risk to others, the ACLU        wrote in its brief. The United States brief lays out    multiple examples of disarming such individuals predicated on    specific findings of specific threats even as it urges the    Court to adopt a far more expansive principle than necessary    here. While some historical restrictions on gun rights were    overbroad, lacking in due process, or rested on racist    assumptions, the record nevertheless provides clear supportas    then-Judge Barrett recognizedfor the narrower principle that    the Government can deny access to guns to people who pose a    specific threat of violence to others.  <\/p>\n<p>    The group took a relatively expansive view of who, writ large,    is covered by the Second Amendment. It cautioned the    Governments view of its own power to restrict the rights of    those it protected is overly vague.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Court need go no further and adopt the United States    sweeping assertion of power to deny Second Amendment rights to    anyone not deemed a law-abiding, responsible citizen,' the    ACLU wrote. Constitutional rights generally extend to all    persons within the United States, citizen and non-citizen    alike. And it would be alarming if an individuals entitlement    to a constitutional right turned on the Governments vague    determination of whether they were responsible. Nothing about    the historical record or this case requires embarking on that    path in order to reverse.  <\/p>\n<p>    Instead, it argued for a much more limited view of the    Governments power to restrict gun access.  <\/p>\n<p>    All the Court needs to doand all that it should doto reverse    the decision below is to recognize that the founding    generation, like their common law forebearers and    Reconstruction-era officials after them, routinely restricted    access to guns by individuals adjudged to pose a specific    threat of violence, the group wrote. Court-imposed,    time-limited restrictions on firearms possession following an    individualized finding of danger to an intimate partner or    family memberas is at least the case where Section 922(g)(8)    is satisfied through subsection 922(g)(8)(C)(i)fit comfortably    within this historical practice.  <\/p>\n<p>    The ACLU also rejected the recent trend of using bigoted    historical gun bans as evidence of the constitutionality of    modern restrictions.  <\/p>\n<p>    Our history also includes more categorical gun regulations    that were explicitly racist, the group said. For example,    from the founding through Reconstruction, American laws    routinely denied Black persons the right to possess firearms.    Such laws would plainly violate the guarantee of equal    protection as we understand it today. There is no need to rely    on such laws to uphold the individualized disbarment imposed by    Section 922(g)(8).  <\/p>\n<p>    Additionally, while the group argued Rahimis restraining order    leading to a gun ban was justifiable because a judge found him    to be a specific threat against the mother of his child due to    alleged previous acts of violence, it questioned the other type    of restraining order that can lead to a gun ban. It argued    barring somebody from owning a gun because they were subject to    a restraining order that forbids committing violence against an    intimate partner but doesnt allege theres a specific reason    to believe the subject is a threat is on shakier constitutional    grounds.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is a distinct question whether the historical analogues    discussed above provide sufficient support for restrictions    imposed on this lesser showing of need, the ACLU wrote.  <\/p>\n<p>    It also differentiated the restraining order ban from the other    gun prohibitions found in federal law because the ban goes away    once the order is lifted. The ACLU argued that because the same    could not be said of other categorical prohibitions, some of    them may violate the Second Amendment.  <\/p>\n<p>    Other subsections of Section 922(g) apply in perpetuity to    broad categories of persons based on status alone, and are    therefore more difficult to fit under historical precedents of    disarming individuals found to pose a specific threat to    others, the group wrote. They impose sweeping restrictions on    all persons with a prior felony conviction, on persons who use    drugs, on persons deemed mental unfit, and on aliens, among    others, without supplying such persons any opportunity to    regain their Second Amendment rights. Those provisions require    a different, and more searching, historical inquiry to    determine whether they comport with the Second Amendmentan    inquiry they may well fail to satisfy.  <\/p>\n<p>    The civil liberties group also questioned the application of    gun laws. It argued enforcement of some restrictions is    disproportionately targeted at minorities, especially    burdensome possession restrictions.  <\/p>\n<p>    The ACLU is committed to fighting mass incarceration and    overbroad gun possession laws that fuel that phenomenon. It is    committed to equal protection of the law and opposes the use of    gun possession laws to unfairly target people of color, the    group wrote. And the ACLU is committed to due process and    fundamental fairness for all, and therefore condemns procedures    to restrict constitutional liberties arbitrarily, without due    process, or that impose unnecessarily excessive restrictions.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even so, the group concluded the questionable constitutionality    of some firearms regulations is a question for another case    because the law at issue in Rahimi is sound.  <\/p>\n<p>    But this case does not present such policy or constitutional    questions, the ACLU wrote. It asks only whether one    particular gun regulation, which prohibits firearms possession    by persons subject to certain domestic violence restraining    orders, on its face violates the Second Amendment. It does    not.  <\/p>\n<p>    Understandably, the ACLUs brief is already eliciting    skepticism from some gun-rights activists. The liberal    group filed a brief in support of New Yorks effective ban on    gun carry during last years New York State Rifle and    Pistol Association v. Bruen under the dubious claim that    striking it down would imperil New Yorkers First Amendment    rights. This brief suggests the ACLU would support other    challenges to gun laws, but it doesnt change the reality that    they have yet to do that in a Supreme Court case.  <\/p>\n<p>    The ACLUs brief also faces the same fundamental problem        the Governments brief ran into: There werent restraining    orders that authorized confiscating guns from those accused of    domestic violence during the Founding Era.  <\/p>\n<p>    It has tried to address this issue by noting a historical    twin isnt necessary under the Bruen standard. It    also argued that domestic violence and firearms were quite    different in early American history. It claims domestic    violence wasnt taken seriously until much later. And the ACLU    said firearms development in the centuries since the Second    Amendment was ratified has led to their increased use in    domestic abuse, thus creating a uniquely modern problem the    Founders couldnt have foreseen, so a broader approach to IDing    the analogues required by Bruen.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its certainly possible this line of argument will convince    five justices. However, it will have to overcome the basic fact    that domestic violence and guns existed at the founding, but a    law banning the possession of the latter because of a    restraining order triggered by the former didnt exist.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Governments practical argument that overturning the law    would result in laws from nearly every state being affected    does seem likely to help get some of the conservative justices    to adopt this line of thinking. However, the ACLUs suggestion    of limiting the Governments ability to restrict gun ownership    to only those found by a judge to be a specific threat to    others could provide those same justices with the comfort to    make that decision.  <\/p>\n<p>    It would not be surprising to see a Supreme Court reluctant to    toss a widely accepted temporary gun ban take the ACLUs third    way to uphold it while limiting the Governments potential    reach.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Continued here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/thereload.com\/analysis-aclu-warns-of-government-overreach-in-second-amendment-case-member-exclusive\/\" title=\"Analysis: ACLU Warns of Government Overreach in Second ... - The Reload\" rel=\"noopener\">Analysis: ACLU Warns of Government Overreach in Second ... - The Reload<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) believes the restraining order gun ban is constitutional, but, more interestingly, the liberal group also thinks some gun laws arent. On Monday, the ACLU filed a brief inUnited States v.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/second-amendment\/analysis-aclu-warns-of-government-overreach-in-second-the-reload\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[193621],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1117358","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-second-amendment"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1117358"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1117358"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1117358\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1117358"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1117358"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1117358"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}