{"id":1116462,"date":"2023-07-21T17:05:43","date_gmt":"2023-07-21T21:05:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/apologetics-that-might-matter-by-common-consent\/"},"modified":"2023-07-21T17:05:43","modified_gmt":"2023-07-21T21:05:43","slug":"apologetics-that-might-matter-by-common-consent","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/polygamy\/apologetics-that-might-matter-by-common-consent\/","title":{"rendered":"Apologetics that (Might) Matter &#8211; By Common Consent"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      . . . . . .. .      . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .Sweet      Spirit,      what souls are these who run through this black haze?      And he to me: These are the nearly soulless      whose lives concluded neither blame nor praise.      They are mixed here with that despicable corps      of angels who were neither for God nor Satan,      but only for themselves. The High Creator      scourged them from Heaven for its perfect beauty,      and Hell will not receive them since the wicked      might feel some glory over them.    <\/p>\n<p>    Lets start with Dante and his description of those souls who    tried to be neutral on earth, neither good nor bad, just OK.    For Dante, they were the most despicable people in the    afterlife. They do not go to hell, per se, because they never    embraced wickedness. But they dont go to heaven either. They    just wander around miserably, not being anywhere or anything    because, because they failed to commit to anything during their    lives.  <\/p>\n<p>    From Dante, we learn the crucial truth that not bad is not    the same as good. A number of other statements flow from this    understanding: not false is different than true; not    wrong is different than right; and not worthless is not    the same as valuable. The absence of a fault is not yet a    virtue.  <\/p>\n<p>    But I dont really want to talk about Dante here. I want to    talk about apologeticsthat branch of religious writing that    focuses on defending or explaining religious beliefs or    institutions.  <\/p>\n<p>    There is nothing wrong with apologetics. We struggle in English    because the word sounds so much like apologize, and that, in    turn, usually means something like make excuses for. And to    be fair to the uninitiated, religious apologetics often does    sound a lot like making excuses for religious problems.    Latter-day Saint apologists, when not trying to overwhelm    people with adjectives and advanced degrees, often fall into    the trap of trying to excuse, rather than defend or explain,    difficult things.  <\/p>\n<p>    I recently spent some time with the Mormonr Hard Questions    site, one of the newer such sites in the LDS apologetics    world. There is a lot to recommend their approach. It has none    of the combative ethos that often characterizes LDS    apologetics, it answers a lot of questions with words like    probably, and sort of that demonstrate epistemic humility,    and it does a great job documenting issues and explaining them    with timelines and helpful infographics.  <\/p>\n<p>    Like several other sites, Mormonr is geared towards GenZ and    younger Millennialsgenerations that appear to be leaving the    Church in record numbers after they 1) encounter historical    problem areas on the internet; and 2) find themselves    increasingly in opposition to the church on social    issuesespecially LGBTQ issues. Here are two examples of such    problem issues, along with some excerpts from the Mormonr    response:  <\/p>\n<p>      ISSUE #1:       Fanny Alger and Joseph Smith    <\/p>\n<p>      The history of polygamy can be uncomfortable or frustrating,      and even more so when it relates to Joseph Smith and Fanny      Alger, the first polygamous relationship. Did Joseph make up      polygamy to justify cheating on Emma? Was there a power      imbalance with Joseph being her employer and a prophet? What      about that age gap?    <\/p>\n<p>      Unfortunately, there are very few contemporary historical      records on this relationship and there are no historical      records from Joseph or Fanny. This makes it difficult to      reconstruct the story using historical evidence and makes it      tough to answer the hard questions about Joseph and Fanny in      a satisfying way.    <\/p>\n<p>      . . . . . . . . . . . . .    <\/p>\n<p>      One reasonable interpretation is that the relationship with      Fanny seems to be the first attempt to start practicing      polygamy, one that appears to have been fumbled by Joseph.      Though Joseph might have been imperfect in implementing      polygamy, we can rely on a spiritual witness that comes by      study and faith on Joseph Smiths role as prophet of God.    <\/p>\n<p>      ISSUE #2: The      Church and Proposition 8 in California    <\/p>\n<p>      For many people, this is not a topic that will have      satisfying answers. With the mix of political and social      issues at play, theres not really a comfortable place to      land.    <\/p>\n<p>      Did the Church overstep its bounds by getting involved in      this highly charged political issue? Was the Church doing the      right thing to ask its members to mobilize and vote a      particular way? These are difficult questions, and they may      not have clear answers.    <\/p>\n<p>      But one question that is answerable is whether the Church can      legally participate in politics and influence policy. Since      the Church is a non-profit, and non-profits can participate      in politics that affect their interests, the Church was      within legal bounds to campaign for Prop 8.    <\/p>\n<p>      The Church doesnt usually give direction on how to vote      (though in this case, it did), but it does encourage members      to be politically active. Though faithful Church members may      disagree on how the Proposition 8 situation should have been      handled, each should remember to respect and love those on      every side of political or social discussions.    <\/p>\n<p>    I have spent a lot of time studying rhetoric and argument, and    I recognize the argument style used here. It is a very    effective style for dealing with concerns that includes the    following steps:  <\/p>\n<p>    These are all important skills to use when discussing    potentially divisive topics. The Mormonr site is a master class    in effective, civically responsible discussion of hard    questions in a way that does not increase polarization or    outrage. I like this site quite a lot, and I think that it does    a lot of necessary work in the Latter-day Saint ecosystem.  <\/p>\n<p>    But I also see a major problem with this entire approach to    apologetics, and it goes back to Dante: this approach is    designed to turn antagonism into neutralityto convince people    that Joseph Smiths relationship with a teenage girl does not    completely disqualify him from being a prophet, or that it is    OK to be a Latter-day Saint and disagree with the Church on    things like Proposition 8.  <\/p>\n<p>    The problem is that neutrality is not enough to accomplish the    goal of keeping peopleyoung or otherwisein the Church. People    do not want to identify with institutions that are just not    false, not bad, and not guilty. They need to understand the    positive good that an institution does and the value that being    a part of it can have in their lives.  <\/p>\n<p>    I do not stay involved in the Church because I have    satisfactorily resolved all of the historical problems that I    have encountered. Nor do I stay because I have come to agree    with the Churchs position on social issues that are important    to me. I stay because I have discovered things in the Church    that offset these very real problems and make it a net positive    in my life.  <\/p>\n<p>    The young people that I know who have left the Church (and a    lot of the not-young people too) did not leave ONLY because of    historical problems and social issues. They left because they    could find nothing of value to offset their discomfort. It    requires an enormous investment of both cognitive and spiritual    resources to construct a nuanced position that accounts for    these problem areas and still manages to celebrate faith and    spiritual identity. People will only be willing to invest this    effort if they see a substantial return for doing so. Not as    bad as you thought is just not enough.  <\/p>\n<p>    This, I think, is the real problem that apologetics has to    grapple with: how to defend the Church by showing how it is    good and not just how certain hard questions can be sort of    answered. Absolute statements that the Church is true and    this is what God says are just not enough. They have never    been enough. They set up an all-or-nothing proposition for    which nothing is quickly becoming the default setting.  <\/p>\n<p>    The way to deal with the problem areas is not to provide    lengthy explanations to mitigate their negative impact.    Everybody who affiliates with any institution involving human    beingsnations, universities, corporationshas to deal with    problems, usually big ones, that do not have easy solutions. We    remain connected because we perceive positive value in spite of    the problems. For religious apologetics to matter, they have to    spend less time establishing the not badness of the Church and    more time identifying and exploring its goodness.  <\/p>\n<p>        Like Loading...      <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See the article here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/bycommonconsent.com\/2023\/07\/15\/apologetics-that-might-matter\/\" title=\"Apologetics that (Might) Matter - By Common Consent\">Apologetics that (Might) Matter - By Common Consent<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> . .  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/polygamy\/apologetics-that-might-matter-by-common-consent\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[346001],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1116462","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-polygamy"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1116462"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1116462"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1116462\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1116462"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1116462"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1116462"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}