{"id":1116429,"date":"2023-07-19T13:15:38","date_gmt":"2023-07-19T17:15:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/couples-are-doing-mdma-and-ketamine-therapy-to-save-their-relationships-vice\/"},"modified":"2023-07-19T13:15:38","modified_gmt":"2023-07-19T17:15:38","slug":"couples-are-doing-mdma-and-ketamine-therapy-to-save-their-relationships-vice","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/psychedelics\/couples-are-doing-mdma-and-ketamine-therapy-to-save-their-relationships-vice\/","title":{"rendered":"Couples Are Doing MDMA and Ketamine Therapy To Save Their Relationships &#8211; VICE"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    The first time Isabel and her husband did MDMA    together, they were at Burning Man, just a couple of weeks    before their wedding. It was a profound    experience.  <\/p>\n<p>    It was like being seen for the first time for who    we really were because it allows you to be super vulnerable and    allows you to share these deep parts of yourself without fear    of being judged, said Isabel.  <\/p>\n<p>    I felt like we got married out    there.  <\/p>\n<p>    She and her husband Joseph, both physicians in    their 40s who live in British Columbia, have been together for    15 years. VICE News has changed their names to protect their    privacy because MDMA is illegal. They dont use drugs oftenthe    Burning Man trip, 11 years ago, was Josephs first time taking    MDMA. These days their trips look pretty different from a    festival. Once a year, they get a babysitter for their two    kids, rent a room at a resort and take the psychedelic to work    through conflicts in their relationships.  <\/p>\n<p>    We wind up spending a night and just pushing    through about six months worth of marriage crap all at once,    Joseph said. You're just kind of a different couple on the    other side of it. Its very interesting.  <\/p>\n<p>    Because of Isabels training in using both ketamine    and MDMA for therapeutic reasons, the couple generally trips on    their own while going through their issues. But theyve also    had a guided trip with an underground therapist who serves    people under the influence of psychedelics. Theyre part of a    growing number of couples who are adding psychedelics to their    couples therapy experiences.  <\/p>\n<p>    Psychedelics are having a renaissance, with    substances like ketamine, psilocybin (the active ingredient in    magic mushrooms), and MDMA being studied and used to treat    issues like depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, drug    addiction, and end-of-life anxiety. While MDMA remains illegal    in the U.S. and Canada, last year the nonprofit group    Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS)    completed a second phase-three trial on using the drug as PTSD    treatment and is expecting the Food and Drug Administration to    evaluate its findings in 2023, potentially approving it for    people with the disorder. In the meantime, MAPS and other    groups already offer training in psychedelic-assisted therapy,    while some therapists are already adding ketamine to their    services because its legal. Others are offering discreet    therapy sessions using illegal drugs. And both underground and    above ground practitioners told VICE News demand is growing    among couples who think psychedelics could help them take on    their issues.  <\/p>\n<p>    I tell my couples, Look, this is not a magic    pill. It's an assist. And I would say that if they're willing    to do the work, it expedites forgiveness, said Jayne Gumpel, a    Woodstock, New York-based clinical social worker who has    treated around 150 couples using ketamine.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some of them have recommitted to each other after    being on the brink of divorce, she said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Gumpel also offers group retreats for couples;    private sessions run for $200 an hour, while four-day retreats    are $1,850 a person on a sliding scale. She said people often    choose partners who provoke their defences or trigger trauma    for their childhood, but they dont necessarily realize it.    While using ketamine, she said peoples defences are lowered    and theyre less attached to the idea that their side of the    story is correct.  <\/p>\n<p>    When the person who's listening learns how to hold    that space and not get reactive...what happens is the person    who's sharing their frustration about messiness starts to talk    about their childhood when their mother was alcoholic and the    house was a mess and they took it upon themselves to have to be    the one to keep things organized. And that's how she felt    safe, Gumpel explained. All of a sudden, the partner who    feels ragged on because he's sloppy has empathy for the person    who's complaining to him about it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its like a magical moment when theyre now    understanding they have consciousness of this pattern theyre    stuck in, she added.  <\/p>\n<p>    Recently, Isabel said she and Joseph had a similar    revelation, where she told him about something really    horrible that happened to her as a child.  <\/p>\n<p>    It was one of those moments in the relationship    where youre like, Oh, that explains 40 percent of what I've    been wondering about you for 15 years, Joseph said, adding    that it gave context to questions he had about her relationship    with her family. During other sessions, theyve cried, and even    vomited.  <\/p>\n<p>    Dr. Reid Robison, chief clinical officer at    Numinus, a mental health care company that provides    ketamine-assisted therapy to couples in the U.S. and Canada,    said having one partner supporting the other as they work    through trauma can be a powerful bonding    experience.  <\/p>\n<p>    We can identify the barriers that we have to love    in ourselves, and then we can just do it so much more freely in    our partnership. Numinus charges around $300 for dosing    sessions, but typically a person also has integration sessions    afterwards to talk about what they learned.  <\/p>\n<p>    Robison said whether a person is using MDMA or    ketamine, the drugs help people in turning towards each other    instead of turning away. Hes even seen it work with people    going through a divorce, helping them to get over old wounds so    that they can co-parent better.  <\/p>\n<p>    Isabel and Joseph have put up signs in their home    that say turn towardsgentle reminders that theyve put in    place to integrate the lessons theyve learned while on MDMA.    She said theyve managed to break a pattern where she would    complain about something, and he would withdraw, causing her to    also pull away.  <\/p>\n<p>    Both of them said doing MDMA, which boosts a    persons levels of dopamine and serotonin (neurotransmitters    that impact pleasure and sexual desire), has also greatly    improved their sex life.  <\/p>\n<p>    We had a good sex life, but now we have an amazing    sex life, Isabel said, noting theyll typically put in five    hours of work on their relationship before having sex during    one of their resort stays. It really allowed us to explore    breathing together and doing all these like deepening, like    soul connection things.  <\/p>\n<p>    Joseph said he considers MDMA a medicine, not a    drug, and that it should be legally available to people. In    fact, it was legal and used for couples therapy in the 1970s    and 1980s, before being designated a Schedule I drug in 1985,    meaning the government determined it had no medical use and a    high potential for abuse. Early reports found that it    was useful in navigating relationship issues and    communication.  <\/p>\n<p>    Depending on what happens with the FDAs evaluation    of MAPS study, it may soon be available for people with    PTSD.  <\/p>\n<p>    Robison said that could open the door for it being    allowed to be used for people with other issues, though itll    be a slow process. He said people with PTSD can also struggle    with relationships or have depression and anxiety, though, so    there are ripple effects to their healing work that will be    felt in their partnerships.  <\/p>\n<p>    He said more research is needed on the impact of    psychedelics on couples and he expects to see more therapists    wanting to work with it in the years to come.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en\/article\/5d9yg5\/ketamine-mdma-couples-therapy\" title=\"Couples Are Doing MDMA and Ketamine Therapy To Save Their Relationships - VICE\">Couples Are Doing MDMA and Ketamine Therapy To Save Their Relationships - VICE<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> The first time Isabel and her husband did MDMA together, they were at Burning Man, just a couple of weeks before their wedding. It was a profound experience. It was like being seen for the first time for who we really were because it allows you to be super vulnerable and allows you to share these deep parts of yourself without fear of being judged, said Isabel.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/psychedelics\/couples-are-doing-mdma-and-ketamine-therapy-to-save-their-relationships-vice\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187761],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1116429","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-psychedelics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1116429"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1116429"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1116429\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1116429"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1116429"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1116429"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}