{"id":1116120,"date":"2023-07-06T19:30:39","date_gmt":"2023-07-06T23:30:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/bungie-weighs-in-on-the-current-argument-raging-through-the-pc-gamer\/"},"modified":"2023-07-06T19:30:39","modified_gmt":"2023-07-06T23:30:39","slug":"bungie-weighs-in-on-the-current-argument-raging-through-the-pc-gamer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/intentional-communities\/bungie-weighs-in-on-the-current-argument-raging-through-the-pc-gamer\/","title":{"rendered":"Bungie weighs in on the current argument raging through the &#8230; &#8211; PC Gamer"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    There's been an argument raging in Destiny 2 lore communities    for years, ever since Bungie     revealed the Witnessthe big bad that's been working behind    the scenes throughout the game's Light and Darkness sagaat the    end of The Witch Queen campaign. The question,     fiercely     debated, is this: Is the Witness the same entity as the    Winnower, the cosmic force described back in the Shadowkeep    expansion lore book Unveiling?  <\/p>\n<p>    OK, yes, let me back up. Unveiling was arguably the first major    attempt by Bungie to lay out the stakes of the Destiny 2    universe's broader cosmologythe start of a path that leads    directly to the conflict of the game's next expansion, The    Final Shape. It describes two entities from before time, a    Gardener and a Winnower, who played a game that caused an    argument that led to the creation of the universe. The Gardener    it describes is clearly the Traveler, the big orb that is the    source of Guardians' power. Arguably it follows, then, that The    Witness is the Winnower.  <\/p>\n<p>    Except: the cutscene that appeared two weeks ago finally gives    us the origin story of the Witness. It's actually the    amalgamation of the first species that the Traveler uplifted.    So case closed, right? The Witness isn't the Winnower. So why    are the loreheads still getting angry at each other?  <\/p>\n<p>    For one thing, Unveiling was seemingly written by the Witness,    delivered to us via the Black Fleet it controls. For another,    the argument has moved in a different direction and led to a    new question: If the Witness isn't the Winnower, does    the Winnower even exist? Some argue that there is another    entity behind the Witness that is the true Winnower. Some will    tell you that, no, having a super-secret extra final boss would    be lameobviously the Witness isn't the Winnower, it's just    creating self-insert fanfic about its desired place in the    universe. And others argue that Unveiling itself should be    discarded, because Bungie has simply retconned the entire story    and the origin of the Witness itself.  <\/p>\n<p>    Bungie commented on the confusion in a recent roundtable    Q&A that I attended. Naturally, the studio's    representatives didn't offer any actual answers, but they did    at least show that they're aware of the confusion and    contradictions.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Welcome to the problem that all Bible scholars have trying to    figure outwhat may or may not have happened and lining that up    to actual historical events,\" says senior narrative designer    Robert Brookes. \"Unveiling is a parable. It is effectively a    religious text. And how much of that is propaganda, how much of    that is myth, how much of that is fact is deeply unclear in the    nature of the text.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Brookes notes that, when Unveiling first dropped, players did    take it as the literal gospel truth. \"Players believed it to be    100% fact: there was a literal garden, there was a literal    Gardener, there was a literal Winnower. And now it's starting    to become clear that those may not actually be just concrete    ideas, but metaphors or things that are far less concrete and    clear. And as we get closer into The Final Shape, more answers    on that will start coming up. And The Final Shape, of course,    will have a lot of answers about the nature of those    conflicts.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Brookes refused to offer any more hints on how this will all    resolve. Except for this: \"The contradictory nature has always    kind of been intentional. Whatever the Witness says, maybe    don't trust it.\"  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>More here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pcgamer.com\/bungie-weighs-in-on-the-current-argument-raging-through-the-destiny-2-lore-community-has-the-witness-been-retconned\/\" title=\"Bungie weighs in on the current argument raging through the ... - PC Gamer\">Bungie weighs in on the current argument raging through the ... - PC Gamer<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> There's been an argument raging in Destiny 2 lore communities for years, ever since Bungie revealed the Witnessthe big bad that's been working behind the scenes throughout the game's Light and Darkness sagaat the end of The Witch Queen campaign. The question, fiercely debated, is this: Is the Witness the same entity as the Winnower, the cosmic force described back in the Shadowkeep expansion lore book Unveiling?  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/intentional-communities\/bungie-weighs-in-on-the-current-argument-raging-through-the-pc-gamer\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187810],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1116120","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-intentional-communities"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1116120"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1116120"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1116120\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1116120"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1116120"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1116120"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}