{"id":1115401,"date":"2023-06-09T04:44:50","date_gmt":"2023-06-09T08:44:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/uncategorized\/qantas-v-air-new-zealand-to-new-york-is-there-room-for-both-new-zealand-herald\/"},"modified":"2023-06-09T04:44:50","modified_gmt":"2023-06-09T08:44:50","slug":"qantas-v-air-new-zealand-to-new-york-is-there-room-for-both-new-zealand-herald","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/new-zealand\/qantas-v-air-new-zealand-to-new-york-is-there-room-for-both-new-zealand-herald\/","title":{"rendered":"Qantas v Air New Zealand to New York: Is there room for both? &#8211; New Zealand Herald"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    When Qantas flight QF3 takes off from Auckland bound for New    York on June 14, rivalry with Air New Zealand is being taken to    a new frontier.  <\/p>\n<p>    The two carriers will go head to    head on one of the    worlds longest flight  rare among airlines which usually have    the very longest routes to themselves.  <\/p>\n<p>    While they compete on the Tasman, the three-times-a-week New    York flights take that to a whole new level. But both are    confident theres room for both with the US market running    especially strong amid the strong rebound for travel.  <\/p>\n<p>    Qantas New York announcement came shortly before Air NZ    started its flagship route in September last year. While the    Kiwi carrier has had a nine-month headstart, Qantas has since    raised the stakes. It has announced it will add a fourth weekly    flight from the end of October further turning up the heat on    the route as it builds its international network back to 100    per cent of pre-Covid capacity by March next year.  <\/p>\n<p>    Air New Zealand is flying around 91 per cent of its pre-Covid    international capacity and will soon add an eighth Boeing    777-300 but quitting its fleet of the older, less efficient    777-200s has affected its ability to meet surging demand.  <\/p>\n<p>    Both airlines are enjoying record yields (profitability per    seat) and instead of grim updates about slashing routes and    staff numbers as during the first year of the pandemic, market    updates are now positive with earnings upgrades coming thick    and fast.  <\/p>\n<p>    But the pandemic resulted in both airlines changing their North    American plans. Air NZ had planned to launch New York flights    in 2020 but had to put the brakes on and delay them for two    years. Qantas rethought its North American strategy.  <\/p>\n<p>    The airline had seen Air New Zealand tap into its customer base    and flying them through Auckland to the US (the first booking    for its non-stop Chicago service came from Australia) and its    new New York service will help stem that loss of business.  <\/p>\n<p>    Before Covid 19, Qantas used Los Angeles as its stopover to New    York, but identified significant advantages to switching to    Auckland as a stopover for flights that originate and end in    Sydney.  <\/p>\n<p>    Chief executive Alan Joyce said Auckland offered more    connecting opportunities for Qantas than Los Angeles.  <\/p>\n<p>    It allows for connections from more Australian cities such as    Melbourne and Brisbane to connect to the flight in Auckland.  <\/p>\n<p>    He also said that Qantas was not allowed to sell seats for the    Los Angeles-New York domestic leg, but the airline had rights    to sell tickets for Auckland-New York flights.  <\/p>\n<p>    This in turn also allows dual destination inbound tourists who    want to visit Australia and New Zealand.  <\/p>\n<p>    The new Qantas flights come just as former Air NZ executive Cam    Wallace moves into a new job, heading the Australian carriers    international airline. It pits him directly against his    employer of 20 years and where he was a contender for the top    job. Air NZ chief executive Greg Foran  like all airline    bosses  says he welcomes competition. Hes on good terms with    Joyce and his successor Vanessa Hudson and has been in contact    with Wallace.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think itll go absolutely fine. Weve spoken as I do with    Alan and Vanessa. Were used to competition and here at Air New    Zealand and hell know a little bit about us, but its also    been three years since hes been with us, Foran told the    Herald at the Trenz event in Christchurch.  <\/p>\n<p>    Qantas is a great competitor, we look forward to competing.  <\/p>\n<p>    An Air NZ spokeswoman this week said bookings on the New York    route remain solid, particularly in the premium cab.  <\/p>\n<p>    New York is not only a popular destination for Kiwis and    Australians, but its also a very large catchment area for    passengers wanting to travel downunder, so theres enough room    for other airlines to compete in this market.'  <\/p>\n<p>    At 14,207km the route is the fifth longest flight in the world    currently operating and comes with big operational challenges,    especially into the strong jetstream winds when flying    westbound. Since launch, Air NZ has operated more than 100    flights, which as the airline planned for, included three gas    and gos, (touching down in Nadi to top up fuel) and two    flights with bags offloaded for payload management.  <\/p>\n<p>    Qantas says it has learned from Air NZs experience on the    route. The Australian airline has been planning the route for    two years and has been working with its rival on some    operational parts of the flight, particularly in relation to    safety.  <\/p>\n<p>    The doubling of flights has been welcomed by Tourism New    Zealand.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its chief executive, Rene de Monchy, said the ability to take a    direct flight from New York meant the opening up of the east    coast of the US, a priority market of big-spending visitors who    tend to stay longer in this country than others.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its where theres a lot of, you know, high value,    high-quality visitors in that part of the state, he said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Air New Zealand had led the charge and now the Qantas flights    were very welcome.  <\/p>\n<p>    What it allows you to do is to promote to that region and say    its a single flight and you can come here and explore New    Zealand.  <\/p>\n<p>    While numbers from the New York area had surged, they so far    reflected the relatively low capacity of just three flights a    week.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the six months from September to March, there were about    200,000 total arrivals from the US and of that under 9000 came    from New York.  <\/p>\n<p>    But it does mean that you could set that up for future    potential as well and really make it much easier for people who    live in that New York State and New York City area to make a    decision to come to New Zealand.  <\/p>\n<p>    He said he was hopeful that Qantas, by more than doubling    capacity by the end of the year, would result in a    proportionate increase in arrivals.  <\/p>\n<p>    It enables you to promote New Zealand as a destination to a    different audience.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hes hopeful that competition would lead to a reduction in    airfares.  <\/p>\n<p>    Competition is good for consumers and price. Having said that,    six or seven times a week is still not that much capacity and I    think there will probably be pretty strong demand in both    directions for a period of time.  <\/p>\n<p>    While Tourism NZ preferred tourists to come to this country    only  and spend all their holiday money here  dual    destination visitors would be a positive spinoff from the    Qantas services.  <\/p>\n<p>    We know that from lots of different parts of the world, they    do like to go to Australia and New Zealand.  <\/p>\n<p>    Chris Hunter, general manager NZ of Helloworld, believes    theres enough demand to support both airlines.  <\/p>\n<p>    In terms of the market capacity versus demand balance, I    believe there is enough market demand to support both airlines    well.  <\/p>\n<p>    However, its not only Auckland-New York that has attracted    more capacity, and downward pressure on pricing. This coming    summer, United Airlines, American Airlines and Delta (all three    are global aviation giants in terms of revenue, assets value    and market capitalisation) are flying more between Auckland and    the US west coast and looking to also compete aggressively with    a one-stop traffic option to the eastern seaboard.  <\/p>\n<p>    This should see pricing come under pressure across all cabin    types and I would expect airfare benefits for both leisure and    corporate travelers with lower pricing.  <\/p>\n<p>    General manager of leisure brands at Flight Centre NZ, Heidi    Walker said the arrival of Qantas on the route should bring air    fares down as competition intensified.  <\/p>\n<p>    Flight Centre analysis shows that on average, from June through    to August, Qantas is offering a more competitive fare. In June,    a return sale airfare from Qantas is about 31 per cent cheaper    compared to Air New Zealand.  <\/p>\n<p>    Airfares increase in July for the school holidays and Northern    Hemisphere summer but during this period, Qantas remains    cheaper, on average.  <\/p>\n<p>    A snapshot of prices on airlines websites is just that: It    doesnt take into account whether they are down to selling the    last few seats on any given day - always the more expensive    option. But a sample taken earlier this week showed that a    return trip in Economy on Air NZ at the end of June costs    $3834, while in Business it is $17,054.  <\/p>\n<p>    On Qantas around the same time an Economy trip is significantly    less at $2918 and closes in Business at $16,828, where last    week cheaper saver fares had sold out.  <\/p>\n<p>    New Zealand travellers typically book long-haul flights three    months out and at the end of August Air NZ Economy return is    $2368 while Business stays at more $17,054. Qantas is offering    Economy fares from $2143 and at the front of the plane is much    less pricey; Business is at $12,733.  <\/p>\n<p>    Walker said travellers often made their choice based on which    loyalty scheme they belong to. Air NZs has about 3.5 million    members while Qantas has about 15 million.  <\/p>\n<p>    Air New Zealand has got such a huge loyalty base here.  <\/p>\n<p>    With two quality airlines competing, it was possible some    customers would cross over to a new one.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are going to be some decisions that are made on price.    There might be some people who havent travelled with Qantas    before, that [usually] travel with Air New Zealand and vice    versa, she says.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the first five months of this year, bookings to New York    through Flight Centre had doubled compared to the same time    last year, reflecting border openings and the non-stop service.    In spite of the unfavourable exchange rate, families are    flocking to New York.  <\/p>\n<p>    Were also seeing families staying longer with the average    booking just under two weeks, an increase of 13 per cent. With    airfares still tracking above pre-Covid levels, our travellers    are under the opinion if youre going to invest in airfares,    you might as well stay for a reasonable period of time, said    Walker.  <\/p>\n<p>    Qantas brought Boeing 787 Dreamliners into its fleet after many    other airlines but always had in mind ultra-long range (ULR)    flying, its Perth-London flight being its longest and its    Melbourne-Dallas fight also slightly longer than Auckland-New    York. Its planes have 236 seats while the aircraft Air NZ uses    on its longest flights have 275.  <\/p>\n<p>    In Business class the airlines offer a much different hard    product - seats and other parts of the interior.  <\/p>\n<p>    Air NZs outdated herringbone layout offers little privacy and    means passengers have to twist to see out of windows. It will    be replaced late next year when the airline gets new    Dreamliners and will remodel the 14 planes in its fleet.  <\/p>\n<p>    Qantas Business class seats are more conventional, roomier and    offer more privacy.  <\/p>\n<p>    The seats in its Dreamliner Business class are almost identical    to those on the A330s the airline operates across the Tasman.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its Dreamliners are premium-rich, with 42 seats in Business    class (where airlines enjoy the highest yields) compared to 27    in Business class on Air NZs long-range planes.  <\/p>\n<p>    When Air New Zealand unveiled planned new seats and interiors    last year it acknowledged there had been some harsh feedback    about existing cabins which left crew to do the heavy lifting    and ceded an advantage to competitors.  <\/p>\n<p>    Helloworlds Hunter says airline product is worthy of careful    consumer consideration.  <\/p>\n<p>    It should be noted that the newer version of the aircraft that    Air New Zealand has on order  due to arrive in 2024  would be    a better fit for the route, as they have fewer seats overall    [227] and have been optimised for ultra-long-range flying.  <\/p>\n<p>    For Economy and Premium Economy there will be an option of    paying between $400 and $600 for a three-hour spell in its    six-berth Skynest sleeping pod.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hunter says Qantas has seriously committed to the New Zealand    market with the soon-to-be four-times weekly New York service    through the Auckland hub using new 787 Dreamliners.  <\/p>\n<p>    This includes connectivity in Auckland for Australian-based    guests on to the Auckland-New York service and new onboard    products including Rebecca Vallance-designed pyjamas and new    onboard menus, launched in Sydney on Wednesday. Air New Zealand    has also introduced fresh new amenity kits with skincare    products from Aotea.  <\/p>\n<p>    Air NZ offers Wi-Fi on its New York flights, Qantas doesnt.  <\/p>\n<p>    But the Australian airline offers a more generous complimentary    baggage allowance, except in Business. Qantas allows one bag at    32kg in Economy, two bags up to 32kg in Premium Economy and    Business (although high-tier frequent fliers are allowed more).    Air NZ allows one 23kg bag in Economy, two bags up to 23kg in    Premium Economy and three bags up to 23kg in Business.  <\/p>\n<p>    Qantas is upgrading its Auckland lounge and expanding it by 40    per cent. While in Auckland Air NZ has the home-ground    advantage now with its lounge in Auckland, it is a different    story at New Yorks JFK Airport.  <\/p>\n<p>    Qantas Business class passengers and elite flyers will have the    choice of three new lounges in Terminal 8, operated by Oneworld    partners American Airlines and British Airways. Air New Zealand    uses Terminal 1 at JFK where eligible passengers can use the    lounge of Star Alliance partner Lufthansa which Australia-based    Executive Traveller describes as decidedly average in food,    drink and dcor.  <\/p>\n<p>    Qantas QF3\/QF4 (from June 14)  <\/p>\n<p>    Air New Zealand NZ1\/NZ2  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Visit link: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nzherald.co.nz\/business\/qantas-v-air-new-zealand-to-new-york-is-there-room-for-both\/WVLMRXZAKZHE3O65YH3ZB65TLQ\/\" title=\"Qantas v Air New Zealand to New York: Is there room for both? - New Zealand Herald\">Qantas v Air New Zealand to New York: Is there room for both? - New Zealand Herald<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> When Qantas flight QF3 takes off from Auckland bound for New York on June 14, rivalry with Air New Zealand is being taken to a new frontier. 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