{"id":39730,"date":"2011-09-25T15:48:39","date_gmt":"2011-09-25T15:48:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/faster-than-light-neutrinos-cosmic-variance\/"},"modified":"2011-09-25T15:48:39","modified_gmt":"2011-09-25T15:48:39","slug":"faster-than-light-neutrinos-cosmic-variance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/astronomy\/faster-than-light-neutrinos-cosmic-variance.php","title":{"rendered":"Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos? | Cosmic Variance"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Probably not. But maybe! Or in other words: science as usual.<\/p><p>For the three of you reading this who haven&rsquo;t yet heard about it, the <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/operaweb.lngs.infn.it\/\">OPERA<\/a> experiment in Italy recently <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/science-environment-15017484\">announced<\/a> a genuinely surprising result.  They create a beam of muon neutrinos at CERN in Geneva, point them under the Alps (through which they zip largely unimpeded, because that&rsquo;s what neutrinos do), and then detect a few of them in the Gran Sasso underground laboratory 732 kilometers away.  The whole thing is timed by stopwatch (or the modern high-tech version thereof, using GPS-synchronized clocks), and you solve for the velocity by dividing distance by time.  And the answer they get is: just a teensy bit faster than the speed of light, by about a factor of 10<sup>-5<\/sup>.  Here&rsquo;s the <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/1109.4897v1\">technical paper<\/a>, which already lists 20 links to blogs and news reports.<\/p><p><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/1109.4897v1\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-o-matic\/cache\/1dfaf_opera1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"511\" height=\"408\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-7483\" style=\"padding-left:10px; padding-right: 10px;\"><\/a><\/p><p>The things you need to know about this result are:<\/p><ul><li>It&rsquo;s enormously interesting if it&rsquo;s right.<\/li><li>It&rsquo;s probably not right.<\/li><\/ul><p>By the latter point I don&rsquo;t mean to impugn the abilities or honesty of the experimenters, who are by all accounts top-notch people trying to do something very difficult.  It&rsquo;s just a very difficult experiment, and given that the result is so completely contrary to our expectations, it&rsquo;s much easier at this point to believe there is a hidden glitch than to take it at face value.  All that would instantly change, of course, if it were independently verified by another experiment; at that point the gleeful jumping up and down will justifiably commence.<\/p><p>This isn&rsquo;t one of those annoying &ldquo;three-sigma&rdquo; results that sits at the tantalizing boundary of statistical significance.  The OPERA folks are claiming a <em>six<\/em>-sigma deviation from the speed of light.  <span><\/span> But that doesn&rsquo;t mean it&rsquo;s overwhelmingly likely that the result is real; it just means it&rsquo;s overwhelmingly unlikely that the result is simply a statistical fluctuation.  There is another looming source of possible error: a &ldquo;systematic effect,&rdquo; i.e. some unknown miscalibration somewhere in the experiment or analysis pipeline.  (If you are measuring something incorrectly, it doesn&rsquo;t matter that you measure it very carefully.)  In particular, the mismatch between the expected and observed timing amounts to tens of nanoseconds; but any individual &ldquo;event&rdquo; takes the form of a pulse that is spread out over thousands of nanoseconds.  Extracting the signal is a matter of using statistics over many such events &mdash; a tricky business.<\/p><p>The experimenters and their colleagues at other experiments know this perfectly well, of course.  As Adrian Cho reports in <em>Science<\/em>, OPERA&rsquo;s spokesperson Antonio Ereditato is quick to deny that they have overturned Einstein. &ldquo;I would never say that&hellip; We are forced to say something. We could not sweep it under the carpet because that would be dishonest.&rdquo; Now there&rsquo;s a careful and honest scientist for you, I wish we were all so precise and candid. Cho also quotes Chang Kee Jung, a physicist not on the experiment, as saying, &ldquo;I wouldn&rsquo;t bet my wife and kids [that the result will go away] because they&rsquo;d get mad. But I&rsquo;d bet my house.&rdquo;  A careful and honest husband and father.<\/p><p>Scientists do difficult experiments all the time, of course, and yet we believe their results.  That&rsquo;s simply because it&rsquo;s proper to be extra skeptical when the results fly in the face of our expectations: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, as <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marcello_Truzzi\">someone<\/a> once paraphrased Bayes&rsquo;s Theorem. When the supernova results in 1998 suggested that the universe is accelerating, most cosmologists hopped on board fairly quickly, both because we had a simple theoretical model in hand (the cosmological constant) and because the result helped explain several other nagging observational problems (such as the age of the universe).  Here that&rsquo;s not quite true, although we should at least mention that Fermilab&rsquo;s <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/0706.0437\">MINOS experiment<\/a> also saw evidence for faster-than-light neutrinos, albeit at a woefully insignificant level.  More relevant is the fact that we have completely independent indications that neutrinos <em>do<\/em> travel at the speed of light, from <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/SN_1987A#Neutrino_emissions\">Supernova 1987A<\/a>.  If the OPERA results are naively taken at face value, the SN 87A should have arrived a couple of <em>years<\/em> before we saw the explosion using good old-fashioned photons.  But perhaps we should resist being naive; the SN 87A events were electron neutrinos, not muon neutrinos, and they were at substantially lower energies.  If neutrinos do violate the light barrier, it&rsquo;s completely consistent to imagine that they do so <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/0805.0253\">in an energy-dependent way<\/a>, so the comparison is subtle.<\/p><p>Which brings up a crucial point: if this result is true (which is always a possibility), it is much more surprising than the acceleration of the universe, but it&rsquo;s not as if we don&rsquo;t already have ways to explain it.  The most straightforward idea is to <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/cosmicvariance\/2005\/10\/25\/lorentz-invariance-and-you\/\">violate Lorentz invariance<\/a>, a strategy of which I&rsquo;m quite <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/cosmicvariance\/2008\/12\/08\/ripples-in-the-aether\/\">personally fond<\/a> (although I&rsquo;ve never applied the idea to neutrino physics).  Lorentz invariance says that everyone measures the speed of light to be the same; if you violate it, it&rsquo;s easy enough to imagine that someone (like, say, a neutrino) measures something different.  Once you buy into that idea, neutrinos are an interesting place to apply the idea, since our constraints on their properties are relatively weak. It&rsquo;s an interesting enough topic that there are <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/hep-ph\/0308300\">review articles<\/a>, and even a <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lorentz-violating_neutrino_oscillations\">Wikipedia page<\/a> on the idea.<\/p><p>And there are more way-out possibilities.  Graininess in spacetime from quantum gravity might affect the propagation of nearly-massless particles; extra dimensions might provide a shortcut through space.  This experimental result will probably give a boost to theorists thinking about these kinds of things, as well it should &mdash; there&rsquo;s nothing disreputable about trying to come up with models that fit new data.  But it&rsquo;s still a long shot at this time.  I hate to keep saying it over and over in this era of tantalizing-but-not-yet-definitive experimental results, but: stay tuned.<\/p><p>A few of the countless good blog posts on this topic:<\/p><ul><li><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/profmattstrassler.com\/2011\/09\/20\/supernovas-and-neutrinos\/\">Matt Strassler<\/a> (<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/profmattstrassler.com\/2011\/09\/22\/what-have-we-here\/\">two<\/a>, <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/profmattstrassler.com\/2011\/09\/23\/some-comments-on-the-faster-than-light-neutrinos\/\">three<\/a>)<\/li><li><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.vixra.org\/2011\/09\/19\/can-neutrinos-be-superluminal\/\">Philip Gibbs<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/neutrinoscience.blogspot.com\/2011\/09\/arriving-fashionable-late-for-party.html\">Ben Still<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.quantumdiaries.org\/2011\/09\/23\/live-blog-neutrinos\/\">Aidan Randle-Conde<\/a> liveblogs the OPERA seminar at CERN<\/li><\/ul><p><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/feedads.g.doubleclick.net\/~a\/wtZ8vSJG1v85qQULMIzGsNzXSs8\/0\/da\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-o-matic\/cache\/1dfaf_di\" border=\"0\" style=\"padding-left:10px; padding-right: 10px;\"><\/a><br><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/feedads.g.doubleclick.net\/~a\/wtZ8vSJG1v85qQULMIzGsNzXSs8\/1\/da\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-o-matic\/cache\/1dfaf_di\" border=\"0\" style=\"padding-left:10px; padding-right: 10px;\"><\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-o-matic\/cache\/1dfaf_qhcMVZIsR_Y\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\" style=\"padding-left:10px; padding-right: 10px;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-o-matic\/cache\/1dfaf_vhf3M0Doroc\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\" style=\"padding-left:10px; padding-right: 10px;\"><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Probably not. But maybe! Or in other words: science as usual.For the three of you reading this who haven&rsquo;t yet heard about it, the OPERA experiment in Italy recently announced a genuinely surprising result. They create a beam of muon &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/astronomy\/faster-than-light-neutrinos-cosmic-variance.php\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"limit_modified_date":"","last_modified_date":"","_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39730","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-astronomy"],"modified_by":null,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39730"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39730"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39730\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39730"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39730"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39730"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}