{"id":255189,"date":"2014-12-18T20:51:23","date_gmt":"2014-12-19T01:51:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.eugenesis.com\/posteverything-did-historical-jesus-really-exist-the-evidence-just-doesnt-add-up\/"},"modified":"2014-12-18T20:51:23","modified_gmt":"2014-12-19T01:51:23","slug":"posteverything-did-historical-jesus-really-exist-the-evidence-just-doesnt-add-up","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/agnosticism\/posteverything-did-historical-jesus-really-exist-the-evidence-just-doesnt-add-up.php","title":{"rendered":"PostEverything: Did historical Jesus really exist? The evidence just doesnt add up."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Did a man called Jesus of Nazareth walk the earth? Discussions    over whether the figure known as the Historical Jesus    actually existed primarily reflect disagreements among    atheists. Believers, who uphold the implausible and more    easily-dismissed Christ of Faith (the divine Jesus who walked    on water), ought not to get involved.  <\/p>\n<p>    Numerous secular scholars have presented their own versions of    the so-called Historical Jesus  and most of them are, as    biblical scholar J.D. Crossan puts it, an    academic embarrassment. From Crossans view of Jesus as the    wise sage, to Robert Eisenmans Jesus the revolutionary, and    Bart    Ehrmans apocalyptic prophet, about the only thing New    Testament scholars seem to agree on is Jesus historical    existence. But can even that be questioned?  <\/p>\n<p>    The first problem we encounter when trying to discover more    about the Historical Jesus is the lack of early sources. The    earliest sources only reference the clearly fictional Christ of    Faith. These early sources, compiled decades after the alleged    events, all stem from Christian authors eager to promote    Christianity  which gives us reason to question them. The    authors of the Gospels fail to name themselves, describe their    qualifications, or show any criticism with their foundational    sources  which they also fail to identify. Filled with    mythical and non-historical information, and heavily edited    over time, the Gospels certainly should not convince critics to    trust even the more mundane claims made therein.  <\/p>\n<p>    The methods traditionally used to tease out rare nuggets of    truth from the Gospels are dubious. The criterion of embarrassment says that if a    section would be embarrassing for the author, it is more likely    authentic. Unfortunately, given the diverse nature of    Christianity and Judaism back then (things have not changed all    that much), and the anonymity of the authors, it is impossible    to determine what truly would be embarrassing or    counter-intuitive, let alone if that might not serve some    evangelistic purpose.  <\/p>\n<p>    The criterion of Aramaic context is similarly unhelpful. Jesus    and his closest followers were surely not the only    Aramaic-speakers in first-century Judea. The criterion of multiple independent    attestation can also hardly be used properly here, given    that the sources clearly are not independent.  <\/p>\n<p>    Pauls Epistles, written earlier than the Gospels, give us no    reason to dogmatically declare Jesus must have existed.    Avoiding Jesus earthly events and teachings, even when the    latter could have bolstered his own claims, Paul only describes    his Heavenly Jesus. Even when discussing what appear to be    the resurrection and the last supper, his only stated sources    are his direct revelations from the Lord, and his indirect    revelations from the Old Testament. In fact, Paul actually    rules out human sources (see Galatians 1:11-12).  <\/p>\n<p>    Also important are the sources we dont have. There are no    existing eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus. All we    have are later descriptions of Jesus life events by    non-eyewitnesses, most of whom are obviously biased. Little can    be gleaned from the few non-Biblical and non-Christian sources,    with only Roman scholar Josephus and historian Tacitus having any reasonable claim to    be writing about Jesus within 100 years of his life. And even    those sparse accounts are shrouded in controversy, with    disagreements over what parts have obviously been changed by    Christian scribes (the manuscripts were preserved by    Christians), the fact that both these authors were born after    Jesus died (they would thus have probably received this    information from Christians), and the oddity that centuries go    by before Christian apologists start referencing them.  <\/p>\n<p>    Agnosticism over the matter is already seemingly appropriate,    and support for this position comes from independent historian    Richard Carriers recent defense of another theory  namely,    that the belief in Jesus started as the belief in a purely    celestial being (who was killed by demons in an upper realm),    who became historicized over time. To summarize Carriers    800-page tome, this theory and the traditional theory  that    Jesus was a historical figure who became mythicized over time     both align well with the Gospels, which are later mixtures of    obvious myth and what at least sounds historical.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Pauline Epistles, however, overwhelmingly support the    celestial Jesus theory, particularly with the passage    indicating that demons killed Jesus, and would not have done so    if they knew who he was (see: 1 Corinthians 2:6-10). Humans  the    murderers according to the Gospels  of course would still have    killed Jesus, knowing full well that his death results in their    salvation, and the defeat of the evil spirits.  <\/p>\n<p>    So what do the mainstream (and non-Christian) scholars say    about all this? Surprisingly very little  of substance anyway.    Only Bart Ehrman andMaurice Casey have thoroughly attempted to    prove Jesus historical existence in recent times. Their most    decisive point? The Gospels can generally be trusted  after we    ignore the many, many bits that are untrustworthy  because of    the hypothetical (i.e. non-existent) sources behind them. Who    produced these hypothetical sources? When? What did they say?    Were they reliable? Were they intended to be accurate    historical portrayals, enlightening allegories, or entertaining    fictions?  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more from the original source:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.washingtonpost.com\/c\/34656\/f\/645348\/s\/419547e0\/sc\/38\/l\/0L0Swashingtonpost0N0Cdid0Ehistorical0Ejesus0Ereally0Eexist0Ethe0Eevidence0Ejust0Edoesnt0Eadd0Eup0C20A140C120C180C9a5281f80Ea57e0E4da60Ebcb30E257cfd24bf970Istory0Bhtml0Dwprss0Frss0Ihomepage\/story01.htm\/RK=0\/RS=IvFXEsAJQdX7Kvycx0NpcIJwVxs-\" title=\"PostEverything: Did historical Jesus really exist? The evidence just doesnt add up.\">PostEverything: Did historical Jesus really exist? 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