{"id":236388,"date":"2017-08-21T19:08:26","date_gmt":"2017-08-21T23:08:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/the-lessons-of-charlottesville-speech-and-guns-huffpost.php"},"modified":"2017-08-21T19:08:26","modified_gmt":"2017-08-21T23:08:26","slug":"the-lessons-of-charlottesville-speech-and-guns-huffpost","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/second-amendment-2\/the-lessons-of-charlottesville-speech-and-guns-huffpost.php","title":{"rendered":"The Lessons Of Charlottesville: Speech And Guns &#8211; HuffPost"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      The events in Charlottesville have given rise to a lot of      discussion about speech and guns. That is, to what extent do      protesters who are otherwise exercising their First Amendment      rights also have a right to carry assault weapons and other      guns as part of their demonstrations? It turns out that this      is a complicated and interesting question, for which there is      no simple answer.    <\/p>\n<p>      First, does the Second Amendment give demonstrators a      constitutional right to carry their weapons in public?      Although the Supreme Court has held that the Second Amendment      protects the right of private individuals to keep and bear      arms, it has not gone much further in fleshing out the      details of this right, and it has not yet considered whether      the Second Amendment should be understood to guarantee      individuals a right to open carry. If the Court were to      hold that the Constitution guarantees individuals a right to      walk down the street carrying assault weapons  an outcome I      think unlikely  then that would go a long way to resolving      the question. But that is not the law, and I rather doubt it      will ever be the law, so we can move on to the next question.    <\/p>\n<p>      Second, about half the states allow open carry and half      prohibit it. Lets assume we are in a state that prohibits      open carry. Assuming the Second Amendment does not guarantee      such a right, the next question is whether the First      Amendment protects the right of individuals to carry assault      weapons or other guns as part of an otherwise lawful public      demonstration. The best argument that could be made by the      would-be gun carriers is that they are carrying their guns as      a form of symbolic expression that is a central part of the      message of their demonstration. The carrying of the assault      weapons, they argue, is meant symbolically to communicate      their commitment to their cause. The guns are, in effect, a      part of their uniform.    <\/p>\n<p>      Lets assume that this is credible. That is, lets assume      that their purpose is not to threaten violence, but to convey      the nature and depth of their beliefs. Symbolic speech is      protected by the First Amendment. For example, burning an      American flag as a sign of disrespect for the nation is      constitutionally protected speech. That being so, is carrying      an assault weapon when done for symbolic purposes also      constitutionally protected speech? Interestingly, the answer      is no.    <\/p>\n<p>      The Supreme Court has held that symbolic speech is protected      by the Constitution when the governments reason for      prohibiting the action is to suppress the content of the      speech. But if the governments reason for prohibiting the      action has nothing at all to do with speech, and the law      therefore has only an incidental effect on speech, then the      law will almost always be deemed constitutional, even as      applied to symbolic speech.    <\/p>\n<p>      For example, if demonstrators march naked down a public      street in order to protest anti-nudity laws, they can      constitutionally be punished for violating the anti-nudity      laws, which are not themselves directed at speech, even      though their nudity in the protest is a form of symbolic      speech. Similarly, if an individual urinates on a statue of      Robert E. Lee in order to show his contempt for the      Confederacy, he can constitutionally be punished for public      urination, even though he did his act for expressive      purposes.    <\/p>\n<p>      This is well-settled law, and it would certainly apply to      protesters who want to carry guns in violation of a state law      that forbids open carry. Thus, in a state that forbids open      carry, the demonstrators would not have a First Amendment      right to carry their weapons, even if their reason for doing      so was to convey a symbolic message.    <\/p>\n<p>      Third, that brings us to the situation where the state allows      open carry generally, but forbids it in demonstrations      involving more than X number of people. The reason for this      limitation is the states concern that, in large      demonstrations, the risks presented by the presence of      weapons is too great to permit. In this situation, the state      is applying a special rule about open carry that is directed      specifically at otherwise constitutionally-protected      protests.    <\/p>\n<p>      In this situation, the demonstrators will argue that this      violates their rights under the First Amendment, because the      only reason for denying them what otherwise would be      the state-recognized right of open carry is that they are      exercising their First Amendment rights. What happens here?    <\/p>\n<p>      As a general rule, the government can regulate the time,      place, and manner of speech in public places as long as it      does so in a neutral manner and has a reasonable      justification for doing so. For example, a city can forbid      public demonstrations that might disrupt a school or      hospital, it can ban the use of loudspeakers in a residential      neighborhood at night, it can refuse to permit a      demonstration that will unduly block traffic in rush hour,      and so on. Thus, even if the desire to carry assault weapons      as part of a demonstration is seen as a form of symbolic      expression, such a restriction  if applied neutrally to all      protests  would likely be constitutional.    <\/p>\n<p>      Fourth, suppose the government allows open carry in public      demonstrations, but only for some speakers and not others?      For example, suppose it permits Black Lives Matter      demonstrators to carry weapons, but not white supremacist      demonstrators? Suppose the government argues, for example,      that in the particular location, the presence of guns by      white supremacist protesters would frighten citizens much      more than the presence of guns by Black Lives Matter      protesters.    <\/p>\n<p>      Such a distinction would clearly violate the First Amendment,      because the government must regulate speech in an even-handed      manner, and cannot treat people conveying one      constitutionally-protected message differently than people      conveying another constitutionally-protected message, unless      it has a truly compelling justification for the distinction       a test that is next to impossible to meet. Thus, although it      can constitutionally ban all guns in these demonstrations, it      cannot constitutionally pick-and-choose which messages to      favor and which to restrict, even if it has a reasonable      justification for the distinction. Put simply, we do not      trust government to make such judgments, because of the risk      that, if given that power, government officials will      manipulate speech to further their own political and      ideological goals.    <\/p>\n<p>      Fifth, suppose the protesters in a particular demonstration      carry guns not just to express a symbolic message about the      nature and strength of their views, but as a way to threaten      others that if they criticize or mock them during the      demonstration they will be shot. If the protesters literally      told counter-demonstrators that it they criticize or mock      them during the protest they will be shot, that would clearly      constitute an express threat of violence that is not      protected by the First Amendment. It is well-established that      such true threats can be punished.    <\/p>\n<p>      The question, then, is whether carrying assault weapons can      in itself be understood to constitute such a threat. Is it      sufficient that counter-demonstrators reasonably understand      this as a true threat, do the speakers have to specifically      intend this to be a true threat, are the speakers      protected by the First Amendment unless they      expressly utter a true threat? This remains an open      question under the First Amendment. How, then, should we      decide whether the carrying of assault weapons is just      symbolic speech, whether it is done merely to deter violence      against the protesters, or whether it is an implied true      threat designed to intimidate others from exercising their      own First Amendment rights to criticize or mock the      protesters?    <\/p>\n<p>      Sixth, to add to the confusion, suppose the protesters are      openly carrying their guns not for their own self-protection,      and not to unlawfully threaten others with violence, but      allegedly to incite counter-protesters to be violent      themselves. It is possible that the very presence of weapons      would so infuriate counter-protesters that they would be      incited to respond with violence, as intended by the      demonstrators. Why might the demonstrators want this? Well,      the outbreak of serious violence would certainly get them on      the news, make them appear to be victims, and give their      views lots of publicity and visibility.    <\/p>\n<p>      So, if this was their actual reason for openly carrying the      weapons, can they then be punished for inciting unlawful      conduct by the counter-demonstrators? In this situation, the      carrying of assault weapons would be like carrying especially      offensive and infuriating signs for the purpose of inciting a      riot. Can people who do that be punished consistent with the      First Amendment? The Supreme Court held in 1969 in a case      called Brandenburg v. Ohio, which involved a Klan      rally, that even express incitement to violence can be      punished only if it is specifically intended to cause      violence and the violence is likely to happen imminently.    <\/p>\n<p>      In theory, that could be the situation in highly-emotional      protest situations, but even there the speakers (in this      case, the protesters carrying assault weapons with the      specific intent to incite a violent response) can be held      accountable only if the police have done everything      reasonably in their power to forestall the violence. That, of      course, depends on the circumstances.    <\/p>\n<p>      So, where does all this leave us? I hope Ive provided at      least a bit of clarity, But I also hope Ive demonstrated why      much of the commentary on the Charlottesville situation in      terms of the issue of open carry and assault weapons has been      inconsistent and confused. 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