{"id":235935,"date":"2017-08-20T07:06:33","date_gmt":"2017-08-20T11:06:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/dumping-trump-all-you-need-to-know-about-how-he-could-legally-be-removed-from-the-white-house-newsweek.php"},"modified":"2017-08-20T07:06:33","modified_gmt":"2017-08-20T11:06:33","slug":"dumping-trump-all-you-need-to-know-about-how-he-could-legally-be-removed-from-the-white-house-newsweek","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/fifth-amendment\/dumping-trump-all-you-need-to-know-about-how-he-could-legally-be-removed-from-the-white-house-newsweek.php","title":{"rendered":"Dumping Trump. All You Need to Know About How He Could Legally Be Removed from the White House &#8211; Newsweek"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    This article first appeared    on Just Security.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are many allegations against Donald Trump that may give    rise some day to either criminal prosecution or congressional    sanction.  <\/p>\n<p>    But what precisely are the available options for the special    counsel and for members of Congress? What is in their    respective tool kits?  <\/p>\n<p>    Keep up with this story and more by subscribing now  <\/p>\n<p>            Donald    Trump walks toward Marine One on the South Lawn at the White    House, on August 14, 2017 in Washington, DC.    Mark    Wilson\/Getty  <\/p>\n<p>    In this article, we explain a range of options (and the legal    issues each raises): including indictment and prosecution, a    grand jury statement of wrongdoing, impeachment, censure, and,    for the sake of completeness, the Twenty-Fifth Amendment.  <\/p>\n<p>    In light of reports that Special Counsel Robert Mueller is    investigating Trump personally for obstruction of justice, an    obvious issue is whether Mueller could ultimately seek to    indict and prosecute the president.  <\/p>\n<p>    The question whether a sitting president can be indicted has    vexed generations of constitutional lawyers. The Constitution    is silent on the subject and the Supreme Court has not squarely    addressed the question.  <\/p>\n<p>    Within the government, the issue has been considered on five    occasions: twice by the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), by the    Solicitor General in the Watergate era, by the Watergate    special prosecutor, and then again by the Office of the    Independent Counsel in the Clinton era.  <\/p>\n<p>    A split emerged in those opinions. In general terms, it is fair    to say that the presidents immunity from indictment is an open    question. The OLCs 2000 opinion, however, is presumably still    the prevailing view at least for the Department of Justice.  <\/p>\n<p>    It holds that a President cannot be indicted or prosecuted    while in office, but that temporary immunity, the OLC states,    would not preclude such prosecution once the Presidents term    is over or he is otherwise removed from office by resignation    or impeachment.  <\/p>\n<p>    Perhaps the most widely held view, adopted by the OLC in memos    from 1973 and 2000 and then-Solicitor General Robert Bork in a    1973 brief, is that the president is not susceptible to    indictment and prosecution while in office. Broadly, the    reasons supporting that position are twofold.  <\/p>\n<p>    First, looking at the Constitutions text, some suggest that    the impeachment procedure must precede an indictment.    Article I, section 3 states:  <\/p>\n<p>    Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further    than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and    enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United    States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable    and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishment,    according to Law.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some have argued that this language  appearing to contemplate    an indictment after an impeachment  means that this    is the only proper constitutional sequence. This reading has    been abandoned for other offices  including judges, vice    presidents and cabinet officials, watering down its    persuasiveness in the presidential context. The 1973 OLC memo    didnt rely on it, but Nixon did in his briefs to the Supreme    Court the next year.  <\/p>\n<p>    The stronger argument is based on the unique position of the    president in the constitutional structure. The president alone    holds all federal executive power, including control    of the army and navy, foreign affairs powers, control of    executive departments, and the responsibility to execute laws.    If the president were indicted, he could potentially be    arrested, put on trial, convicted, and incarcerated.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even if he were eventually acquitted, simply dealing with these    processes would demand substantial attention. The OLC opinions    in support of constitutional immunity reason that to subject    the president to the criminal process would hopelessly handicap    him from exercising his power.  <\/p>\n<p>    That result would implicate the separation of powers by giving    the judiciary the power to cripple the executive branch     something the Supreme Court cautioned against when considering    Nixons immunity from civil suit in Nixon v. Fitzgerald .  <\/p>\n<p>    There, the Court stated that a president has absolute immunity    from civil suit for official acts  although that may not include other    actions of a president while in office, or actions beforehand    as the Supreme Court made clear in Clinton v. Jones .  <\/p>\n<p>    (Note that Just Security s Ryan Goodman has recently    published an analysis of Nixon v.    Fitzgerald , arguing that a majority of justices suggested    that a president is not immune from criminal    prosecution during his term.)  <\/p>\n<p>    The Bork briefwhich was substantially about the power to    indict a vice president, but also considered the same issue    vis-a-vis the president  also points to the Twenty-Fifth    Amendment, which establishes the succession of the presidency    and a mechanism for replacing him if he is incapacitated.  <\/p>\n<p>    [I]t is noteworthy that the President is the only officer of    government for whose temporary disability the Constitution    provides procedures to qualify a replacement, Bork wrote.    This is recognition that the President is the only officer    whose temporary disability while in office incapacitates an    entire branch of government.  <\/p>\n<p>    A related point, relied on in the OLC memos and the Bork brief,    is that the president controls much of the apparatus    surrounding criminal justice: prosecutions; evidence (through    the power of executive privilege), and the pardon power. All of    this means the common sense approach is to impeach and remove a    president (and deprive him of the pardon power), and    then prosecute him.  <\/p>\n<p>    Thats the majority view, but the issue is not settled. Its a    somewhat uncomfortable conclusion, running counter to the idea    that nobody is above the law and giving the president a    king-like immunity even for acts committed totally outside his    official duties. Important legal figures have disagreed with    it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Notably, Watergate special prosecutor Leon Jaworski argued    against presidential immunity from prosecution in a 1974    Supreme Court brief, following a memo from his staff.  <\/p>\n<p>    In addition, a 1998 memo written for    Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr by constitutional law    professor Ronald Rotunda, mounts a strident case for the    constitutionality of indicting a sitting president.  <\/p>\n<p>    Savage calls this the most thorough government-commissioned    analysis rejecting a generally held view that presidents are    immune from prosecution while in office. At the very least,    the 56-page memo is a testament to the debatability of the    issue.  <\/p>\n<p>    One note, though: Rotunda limited his advice to the context of    Starrs investigation, whose powers and responsibilities were    regulated by statute. That law is no longer in effect, and    Robert Muellers position was created by Justice Department    regulations instead of directly by congressional statute.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its this contextual difference that led Rotunda to argue, in a    recent op-ed, that while    Starr could have indicted Clinton, Mueller cannot indict Trump.  <\/p>\n<p>    In his Supreme Court brief, Jaworski argued that constitutional    and public policy considerations actually cut both ways. The    importance of the administration of criminal justice and the    principle that under our system no person, no matter what his    station, is above the law weigh against presidential immunity.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Supreme Court took into account similar considerations when    finding that Clinton could be sued for acts falling outside his    official duties, in Clinton v. Jones . Speaking for    the court, Justice Stevens wrote that neither the doctrine of    separation of powers, nor the need for confidentiality of    high-level communications, without more, can sustain an    absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from    judicial process under all circumstances.  <\/p>\n<p>    The precise scope of the presidents civil immunity is still    unclear, and would likely    inform a courts evaluation of the scope of criminal    immunity while in office.  <\/p>\n<p>    On top of that, both Jaworski and Rotunda argue that the    Constitution provides an explicit immunity for members of    Congress, showing the framers turned their minds to the    question, but none for the president.  <\/p>\n<p>    Finally, Jaworski argued, impeachment can only follow high    crimes and misdemeanors, which doesnt run the full gamut of    criminal offenses. If impeachment had to precede indictment,    this would leave a number of crimes which could go entirely    unpunished.  <\/p>\n<p>    Rotunda, in his memo for Starr, adds    that impeachable offenses dont have to be violations of    criminal statute, demonstrating that they are two different    categories of acts.  <\/p>\n<p>    Rotundas memo makes a couple of further points. First, he    suggests that while a president can be indicted, it may be that    any imprisonment would have to be deferred until after he    leaves office.  <\/p>\n<p>    He also offers a response to Borks Twenty-Fifth Amendment    argument, suggesting that the amendment actually weighs against    an immunity because it means there is a structural solution to    the incapacitation of the executive branch that an indictment    could engender. The vice president could temporarily replace    the president if the the latter is disabled.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the end, neither Jaworski nor Starr attempted to indict the    presidents they were investigating. If Mueller were to attempt    it, hed be breaking new ground.  <\/p>\n<p>    But Muellers hands may be tied. The regulations governing his    position specify that he must comply with the rules, regulations,    procedures, practices and policies of the Department of    Justice.  <\/p>\n<p>    Which raises another contested legal question     whether that phrase includes the previous OLC opinions    concluding that prosecuting a sitting president is out of    bounds.  <\/p>\n<p>    If so, it wont be for Mueller to make up his own mind on the    constitutionality question; hell just have to follow the    conclusions expressed in the opinions. (Its for this reason    that Rotunda concluded in his recent op-ed that Mueller    cannot indict, while Starr could have.)  <\/p>\n<p>    Whatever constitutional position is ultimately correct, we    shouldnt assume the uncertainty necessarily means Mueller    wont seek to indict him. As Professor Andrew Crespo points    out, it hardly means he cannot be prosecuted.   <\/p>\n<p>    On the contrary, a lawyers job is often to assess the    relevant facts and legal arguments under conditions of    uncertainty such as theseand then to make a judgment about how    best to proceed. In this instance, that lawyers name is    Robert Mueller.  should he decide to take us down the road to    United States v. Trump, he would be acting well within the law,    the norms of the profession, and the reasonable bounds of the    discretion with which he has been entrusted.  <\/p>\n<p>    But he would also be acting professionally if he  like Starr     decided impeachment were the more appropriate course to pursue.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the event that Mueller concludes that he cannot indict a    sitting president, or that he has insufficient to support    criminal liability, but his investigation still turns up    evidence of wrongdoing, the grand jury has alternatives.  <\/p>\n<p>    As Ryan Goodman and Alex Whiting unpack here and here, there are three other    possible options. Congress can subpoena the grand jury evidence    for the purpose of considering impeachment, which might then    become public. The grand jury might also consider presentment, an official    declaration that it would have indicted the president were it    not for his current official position.  <\/p>\n<p>    Goodman and Whiting write that this option is not necessarily    precluded by any Justice Department legal opinion. Thirdly,    the grand jury can use a special procedural device to    produce a public report. Of course, none of these mechanisms    are really punishment in themselves, but would enhance the    presidents accountability.  <\/p>\n<p>    Impeachment presents no such constitutional issues. Of course,    politically its another matter because of the    Republican-controlled Congress  but there is no question that    Congress is empowered to impeach a president.  <\/p>\n<p>    Article II, section 4 of the Constitution provides that:  <\/p>\n<p>    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the    United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for,    and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and    Misdemeanors.  <\/p>\n<p>    A president can be removed when the House passes articles of    impeachment specifying the basis of the impeachment (akin to an    indictment) with a simple majority of those members present    and voting once quorum requirements are met, and after a trial    presided over by the Chief Justice, the Senate can convict with    a two-thirds majority of the members present.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Constitution says that impeachment can follow a presidents    high crimes and misdemeanors, but it doesnt define that    phrase. That means its in effect for the Congress to    interpret, making it more of a political determination than a    legal one.  <\/p>\n<p>    Theres a good argument that several of the main allegations against    Trump could justify an impeachment  even without connection to    an indictable crime. One boundary question is whether a    president could be impeached for actions the person took before    assuming federal office.  <\/p>\n<p>    If those actions involved matters related to how the individual    got elected, there is a stronger argument for them counting. A    2010 case will be relevant here: the situation of Judge Thomas    Porteous, who was impeached and then removed from the bench.  <\/p>\n<p>    One of the articles of impeachment cited conduct pre-dating his appointment,    making false statements to the Senate and FBI in connection    with his nomination and confirmation to the U.S. District Court    for the Eastern District of Louisiana. He was convicted on that    article.  <\/p>\n<p>    Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson (back in 1868) were impeached    by the House. Nixon resigned ahead of his near-certain    impeachment.  <\/p>\n<p>    A measure short of impeachment that Congress could pursue is    censure . It is notable that censure can come    from either chamber of Congress, and does not require a    super-majority of the Senate as with impeachment.  <\/p>\n<p>    While constitutional questions have been raised about the    practicewhich is not explicitly provided for in the    Constitutionit is probably lawful. However, censure is seldom    deployed and without legal effect. For more, read our deep dive    into the scope and history of censure here.  <\/p>\n<p>    A more outlandish proposal floating around is using a    combination of legislation, a congressional commission, and the    Constitutions Twenty-Fifth Amendment to oust President Trump.  <\/p>\n<p>    Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) is sponsoring a bill designed to create a    congressional oversight commission that could declare Trump    incapacitated and have him removed under the Twenty-Fifth    Amendment  the provision introduced in the wake of Kennedys    assassination to kick in when a president can no longer fulfil    his duties.  <\/p>\n<p>    Section 4 of the Amendment allows the Vice-President and a    Cabinet majority to declare that the president is unable to    discharge the powers and duties of his office, handing the    reins over to the VP.   <\/p>\n<p>    But the section also says a majority of such other body as    Congress may by law provide can make the same declaration with    the VP  and its such an other body that Raskin is trying to    create.  <\/p>\n<p>    The plan would be to create an Oversight Commission on    Presidential Capacity, staff it up with four physicians, four    psychiatrists and three others (like former presidents) and    direct it to examine the president to determine whether the    president is incapacitated, either mentally or physically.  <\/p>\n<p>    This kind of scheme is constitutionally possible, of course,    but runs into political problems. Raskin needs to find enough    votes not only to pass the legislation but to override the    certain presidential veto.  <\/p>\n<p>    Then, under the Amendment, if Trump challenged the finding and    demanded to be reinstated, a two-thirds majority of both houses    would need to block that challenge to sustain removal.  <\/p>\n<p>    On top of that, Mike Pence would need to agree that the    president was incapacitated in the first place. All of that    seems incredibly unlikely. Even impeachment is simpler.  <\/p>\n<p>    No president has ever been removed by impeachment. No president    has ever been indicted. No president has been censured since    1860. And the Twenty-Fifth Amendment has never been invoked.  <\/p>\n<p>    Each item on the menu of options laid out in this article has    its own flaws and difficulties, and thats why they are so    seldom used: indictment is constitutionally questionable,    censure is on surer footing but lacks real bite, impeachment    requires great political will, and the Twenty-Fifth Amendment    requires political will and there are serious questions about    its applicability.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet this has been a very unusual presidency, and many norms    have fallen by the wayside in the wake of Trump. There may be    more breaks with convention to come.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hannah Ryan is a    Junior Research Scholar at Just Security.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newsweek.com\/dumping-trump-all-you-need-know-about-how-he-could-legally-be-removed-white-652108\" title=\"Dumping Trump. 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