{"id":235225,"date":"2017-08-16T17:12:11","date_gmt":"2017-08-16T21:12:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/lawyers-clash-over-an-imaged-hard-drive-as-waymo-v-uber-hurtles-toward-trial-ars-technica.php"},"modified":"2017-08-16T17:12:11","modified_gmt":"2017-08-16T21:12:11","slug":"lawyers-clash-over-an-imaged-hard-drive-as-waymo-v-uber-hurtles-toward-trial-ars-technica","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/fifth-amendment\/lawyers-clash-over-an-imaged-hard-drive-as-waymo-v-uber-hurtles-toward-trial-ars-technica.php","title":{"rendered":"Lawyers clash over an imaged hard drive as Waymo v. Uber hurtles toward trial &#8211; Ars Technica"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Enlarge \/ An Uber    driverless Ford Fusion drives in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.    <\/p>\n<p>    Photo by Jeff Swensen\/Getty Images  <\/p>\n<p>    SAN FRANCISCODuring a heated court hearing here today, Waymo    lawyersaccused Uber's law firm, Morrison Foerster, of    violating a court order by not handing over documentsthat    Waymo says were illegally downloaded from Google.  <\/p>\n<p>    Waymo     filed a lawsuit in February, claiming that theformer    head of Uber's self-driving car project, Anthony Levandowski,    downloaded more than 14,000 Google documents that contain trade    secrets about self-driving cars,shortly before he left    his job at the company. Levandowskithen created a startup    called Otto, which he sold to Uber for $680 million. Waymo has    saidthat Uberhasused thosetrade    secrets, which were brought over by Levandowski.  <\/p>\n<p>    Uber deniesthat any trade secrets were on Uber servers    and says it built its own technology from the ground up.    Levandowski, who is not a defendant in the case, hasn't denied    downloading filesinstead, he has pled his Fifth Amendment    rights and refused to talk. Uber     fired him in May for refusing to cooperate with court    orders.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Weve been trying to get these documents since the outset of    this case, and we still dont have them,\" Waymo lawyer Charles    Verhoeven told US District Judge William Alsup.  <\/p>\n<p>    Uberattorney Arturo Gonzalez protested that    Waymo'sexplanation wasmisleading. It's true    thata digital forensics firm, Stroz Friedberg, imaged    Levandowski's devices as part of Uber's acquisition. But    onlya \"tiny sliver\" of thoseimages came into    Morrison Foerster's offices, where they were reviewed by a    single associate.  <\/p>\n<p>    The material came in at a time whenMorrison Foerster,    often called MoFo for short, was representing Levandowski in an    arbitration over his departure from Google.Gonzalez said    he \"pulled the plug\" on the documents being reviewed once he    saw that a conflict was developing between Uber and    Levandowski.  <\/p>\n<p>    He alsopointed out that it's Levandowski who is arguing    that the documents are protected by a joint defense privilege.    It's Levandowski's lawyers, not Uber, who have appealed the    issue to the USCourt of Appeals for the Federal Circuit,    which still hasnot ruled on the matter.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Once the FederalCircuit rules, this will be reviewed    under whatever protocol we agree to, and produced,\"said    Gonzalez.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"We have repeatedly asked, specifically, for the Google    documents,\" said Verhoeven. He continued:  <\/p>\n<p>      Upuntil June, theysaid they didn'thave it.      That MoFodidn'thave it. Thatwas false.      Thatis not protected by the      FifthAmendment.Theydidnt tell us,      intentionallyuntil they were forced to, when we finally      battered them down after a dozen motions.    <\/p>\n<p>    Alsup generally seemed sympathetic to Verhoeven, although he    said he would wait for the Federal Circuit ruling. When he    pondered a solution to the matter, he said he was inclined to    tell the jury exactly what happened.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I am concerned thatMr. Gonzalezfailed to disclose    that he had the documents,\" Alsup said. \"He took a long time to    come clean. Maybe he can get on the stand and explain it away.    Iam inclinedto tell the jury exactly this    scenariothat he was ordered to come clean and did not come    clean. Then finally in June and July, he comes clean.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"You've bought into a completely false narrative,\" Gonzalez    said. \"We'renot trying to hide anything. Thistrial    is against Uber. Uberdidn't even know MoFohad these    documents. Thedownloadedmaterials are not at MoFo,    and Uberdidn't even know we had these materials.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    The arguments over Levandowski's documents were part of a    series of three motions that will lay the groundwork for an    October trial,now less than 60 days away.  <\/p>\n<p>    In addition to hearing arguments overLevandowski's imaged    devices, Alsup heard two other motions filed by Uber: one    attacking Waymo's damages case and another attempting to limit    the trade secrets that Waymo can present at trial.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Uber does not have [damage] calculations, the basis for them,    the theoriesand methodology that they're going to rely    on,\" said Uber lawyer Karen Dunn. \"It may be time to face up to    the fact they want an injunction. They don'thave a    damages case at allit's a non-commercialized market.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    A Waymo attorney countered that the companyhad provided a    26-page narrative outlining its damages theories.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"We just got Uber'sside of the ledger yesterday,\" said    Waymo attorney Melissa Baily. \"So nowwe have    ninedays [before the end of discovery] to take that into    account. We cant do a complete analysis without that    information.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Alsup didn't rule on the damages matter, saying that he needs    to see where thetwo sides come out on the matter.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Thenit will be clearer how fair or unfair the process    has been,\" he said. \"This piece of the controversy will be held    in abeyance for a while.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    A final motion, over limiting Waymo's alleged trade secrets,    was held in closed session.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Original post:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/arstechnica.com\/tech-policy\/2017\/08\/waymo-to-judge-uber-should-be-held-in-contempt-for-withholding-documents\/\" title=\"Lawyers clash over an imaged hard drive as Waymo v. Uber hurtles toward trial - Ars Technica\">Lawyers clash over an imaged hard drive as Waymo v. 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