{"id":228162,"date":"2017-07-16T10:53:15","date_gmt":"2017-07-16T14:53:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/creating-the-google-of-medicine-meeting-the-human-ceo-behind-the-ai-doctor-techradar.php"},"modified":"2017-07-16T10:53:15","modified_gmt":"2017-07-16T14:53:15","slug":"creating-the-google-of-medicine-meeting-the-human-ceo-behind-the-ai-doctor-techradar","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/medicine\/creating-the-google-of-medicine-meeting-the-human-ceo-behind-the-ai-doctor-techradar.php","title":{"rendered":"Creating the Google of medicine: meeting the human CEO behind the AI doctor &#8211; TechRadar"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Weve all been in the situation where you know you should go to    the doctor, but its only a minor complaint. So, you decide to    check first, Googling your symptoms...within half an hour you    convince yourself that youve got an incredibly rare and    incurable blood disorder.  <\/p>\n<p>    Obviously you'd be better off actually seeking the advice of a    medical professional, but who has time or the energy to trudge    all the way to the doctor's office? If only there was a way you    could get accurate, personalized medical advice on your phone.  <\/p>\n<p>    Thats the mission of Babylon Health. Babylon already has an    artificially intelligent chatbot that is being used by the UKs    National Health Service (NHS) that can help you to figure out    which health care professional you need, and has a dedicated    app that can connect you to a GP on your phone.  <\/p>\n<p>    You can pay per consultation or subscribe, see counsellors, and    even get prescribed medicine. And the next generation is    promising a whole lot more.  <\/p>\n<p>    Created four years ago, the app now has over a million users    worldwide, as well as a clinical service in Rwanda called babyl    that connects people to medical professionals through    smartphones and dedicated booths equipped with digital tablets.    In the first six months of the service existing, almost 10% of    the adult population of Rwanda has registered with babyl.  <\/p>\n<p>    We met with Dr Ali Parsa, CEO and founder of Babylon Health to    talk about his plans for Babylon and the future of    healthcare.  <\/p>\n<p>    Dr Ali Parsa: \"I built a chain of hospitals. I got lucky and it    did incredibly well. The business went from nothing to a few    thousand employees and a few hundred million dollars of    revenue. I took it public and I sold it.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"The reason I [sold it] was because when you run hospitals, you    very quickly understand that the vast majority of peoples    healthcare needs have very little to do with hospitals.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Hopefully you have to spend maximum one month of your life in    hospital. And if you take one month out of your life, its    [around] 0.1% of your life. Most your healthcare needs for the    rest of your life have nothing to do with that month.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Its got to do with everything else: How do [healthcare    professionals] keep you healthy? How do we deal with you when    youre ill? How do we deal with your primary care, everything    our GPs do? How do we take care of your mental health?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"And then how do we do that at prices that everybody in the    world can afford?\"  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    \"It is unbelievable that five billion people in the world have    very little access to healthcare. Half of the population of the    world have almost no access to healthcare. And yet they all    have phones. I think that we can give most people in the world,    most of the healthcare they need on most of the devices that    they already have.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"[In the NHS] every GP is a paid service. Its a business.    So thats fine, but theyre being paid by the National Health    Service.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"If you register with a great GP, theyll see you within a few    hours or days. But if you have a GP who isnt so great they see    you within two or three weeks.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"If you went to Babylon right now, the next available    appointment is in 12 minutes. Why couldnt the NHS pay Babylon    to be your GP?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"You can be anywhere in the country and [Babylon] can see you    in 12 minutes. One in ten times I have to send you to an actual    physical person.\"  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    \"One in ten times I tell you to see a GP near you and I pay    that person. Say you [currently] go to the GP two times a year,    that means once every five years I need to send you to someone    physical.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"We see you on the phone. We prescribe, we know exactly    whats wrong, we cure you. You need no physical examination,    youre done.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"It's not just the app, remember. Its a clinical service. In    Rwanda, the app is only used by 5% of our users, the rest just    use our clinical service. But behind the service sits the    intelligence that powers the app in Rwanda.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"The BBC recently put Babylon in the top 10 science and    technology innovations they believe are going to change the    world. On the BBC Horizon programme last week there was a    machine versus a doctor, and the machine was diagnosing as well    as a doctor.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    This is an interesting claim. In the episode, a GP gives    herself an imaginary syndrome (fibroids), gives the chatbot her    symptoms, and it manages to correctly diagnose her. Not only    that but the doctor agrees with the second and third diseases    in the list of differentials the AI provides.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its very impressive, but it isnt exactly what Ali seems    to be claiming here.This feels important as the moment    the machine works better than the doctor, seems to us to call    into question the need for the doctor. We asked Babylon about    this and a spokesperson said:  <\/p>\n<p>    \"What you are seeing is the back end of the machine, this    is not what the end user (patient) would see. Please keep in    mind that this technology is a work in progress and is being    continually developed every day. Version 3 of the babylon app    will assist our doctors with diagnosis, giving them more time    to focus on their patients.  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"Imagine putting into the hands of every human being on    Earth through their mobile phone, a doctor who can diagnose    them. That, I think, is a phenomenal thing to be able to do.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"Were there.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"We will be releasing a product in the next few months that    can diagnose 80% of all primary care diseases. Now.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    That's 80% of diseases it can get right, not that it will    be right in 80% of all cases.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Weve solved the problem scientifically. Thats what the BBC    was testing. We just need to put it into the product so that    you can have it too. Obviously, we need test it rigorously,    then put it into the product. But, were there.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"In the next few months were going to do something else which    is really cool which is create an avatar of every human being    that uses our apps.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    At this point Ali opens up a prototype of the next    generation of the Babylon app, and shows us a blue avatar of a    man with all the organs represented, the heart is the only    organ that isnt blue, in a soft yellow. Underneath the avatar    are individual sections for each part of the body, with    readings that relate to that body part. Under the heart    category, the cholesterol reading is yellow.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    \"I think [with this app] we can put a diagnostic engine into    everybodys pocket. We can start putting an understanding of    your body into your pocket. Because what that allows [Babylon]    to do is to start predicting your health. And then try to    foresee issues. Because thats where the costs are.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Most diseases by the time they present their symptom, a 10    problem has become a 1,000 solution. Everything we do in    Babylon is about this. How do you predict a disease ahead of    time? What I just showed you, that avatar of me; behind that    sits a massive amount of predictive analytics to constantly see    how Im doing.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    We asked Babylon exactly how this diagnostic tool would    work and the spokesperson told us: \"The monitor feature will    track users health with a variety of different tools including    patient history & data (doctors notes, medication, test    results, frequently asked questions to the symptom checker),    input from other health apps (ie, step count, daily km, sleep    patterns) and input from non-health apps (ie emails,    calendar).\"  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"Eventually it will. Courses of action need to be curated    country by country, its much more complex. So I can tell you    that youre prone to diabetes and thats fine. But what diet    you should take in India, is very different to what diet you    should take in Britain. To get into that level of detail takes    time.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"I'm not saying that a machine will replace a doctor.    Diagnosis does not need a doctor or empathy. Diagnosis is a    probabilistic graphical modeling event. Im telling you what    the probability of you having a disease is. Machines can do    probability analysis much better than a human brain can.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Also, diagnosis is about correlating my knowledge with your    symptoms to tell you what is wrong with you. But my knowledge    is limited because as a doctor, at best I can have three, four,    five million strings of knowledge in my head. Our machine    already has 300 million strings of knowledge. So Im looking at    a much bigger pool of knowledge, I can do significantly do    more, faster.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"But can a machine put its hand on your shoulder and say Trust    me, Im going to look after you? Thats a fundamentally    different part, and I think that Babylon will bring empathy    back into medicine.\"  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    \"Go to your GP with a symptom now, and they will spend five,    eight, ten minutes with you to diagnose, then say okay, thats    your problem, go. Wheres the empathy in that? If you went in    and said, Ive used Babylon, it said this is the disease I    have. They ask you a few questions to make sure its right,    then they have five minutes left.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Lets spend that five minutes to see how youre feeling. See    what else is bothering you. How many patients with mental    health problems do we catch? Why are GPs not catching people    with mental health issues? Because they are focussing on the    disease, not the full picture.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"We have a whole list of restricted drugs that we never    give. Our GPs work in the NHS. Why would they make a mistake    and give you a drug here that they wouldnt give there? We have    no interest in your drugs, we dont make money on your    drugs.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    We asked Babylon for further clarification on its policy    and got this response: \"All our doctors prescribe medication    according to national guidelines for safe prescribing, in    addition to following our own medication management policy    which further safeguards our patients.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"When it comes to high risk medication, including drugs    that people may misuse, babylon has extremely stringent    policies to ensure safe prescribing. Furthermore, babylon has    implemented mandatory photo identification for controlled    medication which exceeds the requirements of the regulator    (CQC). This is an example of our relentless pursuit of safe    prescribing through a digital channel.  <\/p>\n<p>    While discussing the potential dangers associated with the    service Ali referenced internet banking, and the parallel    between digital healthcare and digital banking. Undoubtedly    there was a time when people were hesitant about using internet    banking because they were worried about its safety, but we    wonder whether the risks associated with medicine are greater    than those with banking.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I think weve got to be really careful. Everything that    technology does, there are aspects that it will do better than    existing, and there are elements that itll do worse. And its    a choice.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    AP: \"To create a company that serves the globe takes 20 years.    Thats just the reality. Even Uber, who is growing so fast, how    old is it? Six, seven years old, and thats probably the    fastest globalized company. And theyre in a tiny part of the    globe still. Were in the business of creating the Google of    medicine.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I think that the software part of our business; the fact that    we can put a diagnostic tool in the pocket of anyone in the    world who wants it, we can create the avatar that I showed you    for every human being on Earth. We can globalize that bit a lot    faster.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Putting doctors that can consult with you in every country;    that takes longer. We have spent the last three years creating    a product that is truly world beating. There is no product in    the world that does what we do.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"You and I have the same access via mobile phone that Bill    Gates has, and the cleaner in our office has. That is true    democratization because it doesnt really matter how rich you    are.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Healthcare isnt like this. Even in the NHS, a lot of doctors    do private work and in the private work they are much more    accessible than in the public work. Even in the NHS we havent    got democratized healthcare. There is no such thing as    democratization of healthcare if I have to wait three weeks for    it.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Thats why I think we, or someone else like us, will    fundamentally change that game. And that is brilliant for    humanity. I hope somebody does it for education too and then    well be a long way towards a better place.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    It's difficult not to be intoxicated by the message behind    Babylon. The idea of its service is very alluring, and of    course it would be amazing to see a world where everyone has    access to healthcare, but we feel it would be remiss of us not    to consider the issues too.  <\/p>\n<p>    As with all AI developments, if it takes away some of the    work of the human currently doing the job, there is the risk    that the human will just end up paid less, or working less,    rather than freed by the development. And specifically with    healthcare, does a paid service risk creating a world where    only the wealthy can be healthy?  <\/p>\n<p>    Scepticism aside, the ability to have an appointment with a    doctor in minutes is a brilliant service, and that is reflected    in the overwhelmingly positive reviews on the Google Play Store    and App Store for    the app. It will be interesting to see what form the diagnostic    tools take in the next generation. Needless to say, we will be    keeping a close eye on Babylon as it develops.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.techradar.com\/news\/creating-the-google-of-medicine-meeting-the-human-ceo-behind-the-ai-doctor\" title=\"Creating the Google of medicine: meeting the human CEO behind the AI doctor - TechRadar\">Creating the Google of medicine: meeting the human CEO behind the AI doctor - TechRadar<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Weve all been in the situation where you know you should go to the doctor, but its only a minor complaint.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/medicine\/creating-the-google-of-medicine-meeting-the-human-ceo-behind-the-ai-doctor-techradar.php\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"limit_modified_date":"","last_modified_date":"","_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[35],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-228162","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-medicine"],"modified_by":null,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/228162"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=228162"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/228162\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=228162"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=228162"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=228162"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}