{"id":220957,"date":"2017-06-19T23:46:29","date_gmt":"2017-06-20T03:46:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/genetics-might-be-settling-the-aryan-migration-debate-but-not-how-left-liberals-believe-swarajya.php"},"modified":"2017-06-19T23:46:29","modified_gmt":"2017-06-20T03:46:29","slug":"genetics-might-be-settling-the-aryan-migration-debate-but-not-how-left-liberals-believe-swarajya","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/human-genetics\/genetics-might-be-settling-the-aryan-migration-debate-but-not-how-left-liberals-believe-swarajya.php","title":{"rendered":"Genetics Might Be Settling The Aryan Migration Debate, But Not How Left-Liberals Believe &#8211; Swarajya"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Writing in The Hindu, Tony Joseph has     claimed that genetics has very sure-footedly resolved the    debate about whether there was a migration of Indo-European    people (Aryans) into the subcontinent around 2000-1500 BCE     apparently, the unambiguous answer is yes. To anyone with a    nodding acquaintance with the literature in the area, such an    assertion is unfounded. Given the sheer importance of this    topic to Indian history, it is necessary to challenge Josephs    one-sided presentation of facts. There also seems to be much    that is questionable in his very approach, and this deserves    scrutiny.  <\/p>\n<p>    Conclusions decided upon in advance?  <\/p>\n<p>    Ironically, after saying that the dominant narrative so far    that genetics had disproved Aryan immigration had not been    nuanced, he abandons nuance himself.  <\/p>\n<p>    Noting the clear slant in his article, and his quoting of Razib    Khan, who was     sacked as a columnist by the New York Times apparently for    racist views, I got in touch with Dr Gyaneshwer Chaubey, senior    scientist at the Estonian Biocentre, Tartu, and a    widely-published scholar in the area. Indeed, Chaubey is a    co-author with Peter Underhill (whom Joseph quotes) of the        2015 study on the R1a haplogroup that Joseph cites in his    article.  <\/p>\n<p>    To my surprise, it turned out that that Joseph had contacted    Chaubey and sought his opinion for his article. Chaubey further    told me he was shocked by the drift of the article that    appeared eventually, and was extremely disappointed at the spin    Joseph had placed on his work, and that his opinions seemed to    have been selectively omitted by Joseph  a fact he let Joseph    know immediately after the article was published, but to no    avail.  <\/p>\n<p>    Having known Chaubeys views for some time now  especially    that the origin of the R1a is far from settled  I was not    surprised to hear this. This in itself gives the lie to    Josephs claims of the unambiguous conclusions of genetics    about the hypothetical Aryan immigration.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mitochondrial DNA vs Y-chromosomal DNA  <\/p>\n<p>    Joseph claims that we only had mitochondrial (mt-) DNA (which    is inherited from the mother) analysis till recently, which    failed to capture the fact that it may have been mostly Aryan    males who migrated first to the subcontinent and intermarried    with the native women. This, apparently, has been conclusively    established by a recent avalanche of Y-chromosomal DNA (which    is inherited exclusively by sons from their fathers) data,    which shows a Bronze Age gene flow into the subcontinent. This    remark seems to suggest an embarrassing lack of familiarity    with the literature.  <\/p>\n<p>    Also, does Joseph seriously imagine geneticists would not have    envisaged the possibility of males spearheading a migration all    along? The first suggestion that Y-chromosomal DNA analysis    may be    making a case for Indo-European immigration, and the    proposal that the R1a haplogroup (M17) may be a marker for this    migration, was made as early as 2001.  <\/p>\n<p>    This was subsequently contradicted in 2006 in a seminal    Y-chromosomal DNA study by a group that included Richard    Villems, Toomas Kivisild and Mait Metspalu, also of the    Estonian Biocentre, and among the leading authorities in this    area (Kivisild has since moved to Cambridge, but Villems and    Metspalu are Chaubeys current colleagues at Tartu). Villems    and Kivisild were, in fact, co-authors in the 2001 paper I just    mentioned, but revised their view about a migration after a    fresh analysis of more extensive data.  <\/p>\n<p>    This paper, concluded, It is not necessary, based on the    current evidence, to look beyond South Asia for the origins of    the paternal heritage of the majority of Indians at the time of    the onset of settled agriculture. The perennial concept of    people, language, and agriculture arriving to India together    through the northwest corridor does not hold up to close    scrutiny. Recent claims for a linkage of haplogroups J2, L,    R1a, and R2 with a contemporaneous origin for the majority of    the Indian castes paternal lineages from outside the    subcontinent are rejected...  <\/p>\n<p>    The dominant narrative that Joseph talks about actually stems    from this study, and Im not sure he is qualified to dismiss it    as a bit of a stretch. This study, which has never really    been contradicted, is, in fact, published in a much more    respected journal than BMC Evolutionary Biology from    where Joseph cites Martin Richards paper. This is significant,    as good studies in this area have generally found a place in    highly-ranked journals, even if they have arrived at diverging    conclusions.  <\/p>\n<p>    Indeed, this itself would suggest there are very eminent    geneticists who do not regard it as settled that the R1a may    have entered the subcontinent from outside. Chaubey himself is    one such, and is not very pleased that Joseph has not    accurately presented the divergent views of scholars on the    question, choosing, instead to present it as done and dusted.  <\/p>\n<p>    The R1a haplogroup  <\/p>\n<p>    There are some inherent issues in regarding the R1a as a marker    for any hypothetical Indo-European migration.  <\/p>\n<p>    Firstly, Iranian populations, who are also speakers of    the Indo-Iranian family of languages like most North Indians,    have very little R1a. Also, tribal groups like the Chenchus of    Andhra Pradesh and the Saharias of Madhya Pradesh show    anomalously high proportions of R1a. The Chenchus speak a    Dravidian language, and the Saharias an Austro-Asiatic one    (though they have recently adopted Indo-European languages).  <\/p>\n<p>    They are hunter-gatherer peoples who remained stunningly    isolated without admixing much with other population groups,    and consequently, their lifestyles have remained startlingly    unchanged for millennia, as they would have been before the    start of settled agriculture.  <\/p>\n<p>    The best that studies which argued that the R1a could be used    as a marker for the hypothetical Indo-European migration could    do was to simply ignore these groups as aberrations. But is    that very convincing? Note that it is possible  no, almost    certainly the case  there were many tribal communities with    high proportions of R1a that, unlike the Chenchus and Saharias,    were assimilated into the caste matrix over the millennia. So    how correct is it to link the R1a with an Indo-European    migration?  <\/p>\n<p>    Significantly, Richards et al acknowledge Chaubeys    critical advice with their manuscript. That seems like a    euphemism for saying that Chaubey (and, by extension, the Tartu    school) had reservations about their conclusions, which is    probably why he is not a co-author. So what should one make of    Josephs claim that geneticists have converged on an answer?  <\/p>\n<p>    If Underhill expressly stated to Joseph that he has now    reversed his published position that there has been no    significant genetic influx to Asia from Europe, indeed    specifically that he is now convinced the R1a entered the    subcontinent from outside, Joseph bafflingly does not reproduce    this statement in his article.  <\/p>\n<p>    The statement Joseph actually quotes merely points out that we    have better data now, but that is not the same thing. Joseph    also cites his 2015 paper, in which Chaubey is a co-author, but    this paper actually underscores the limits of current    technology, and says their data is too preliminary to jump to    conclusions about migrations and culture shifts.  <\/p>\n<p>    The genetic data at present resolution shows that the R1a    branch present in India is a cousin clade of branches present    in Europe, Central Asia, Middle East and the Caucasus; it had a    common ancestry with these regions which is more than 6000    years old, but to argue that the Indian R1a branch has resulted    from a migration from Central Asia, it should be derived from    the Central Asian branch, which is not the case, as Chaubey    pointed out.  <\/p>\n<p>    In other words, contrary to what Joseph claims, as the    Y-chromosomal DNA data stands today, there is no support for a    recent migration into the subcontinent.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South    Indians (ASI)  <\/p>\n<p>    Joseph continues to tilt at windmills when talking about the    ANI \/ ASI construct of David Reich et al., who used    analysis autosomal DNA, which    is different from mt- and Y-chromosomal DNA.  <\/p>\n<p>    Joseph writes, ...this theoretical structure was stretched    beyond reason and was used to argue that these two groups came    to India tens of thousands of years ago, long before the    migration of Indo-European language speakers that is supposed    to have happened only about 4,000 to 3,500 years ago.  <\/p>\n<p>    One doesnt know what to make of this. It was geneticists     including Lalji Singh and K Thangaraj who were Reichs    co-authors in the paper which proposed the ANI\/ASI construct     who argued that the ANI and ASI are considerably     more than 12,500 years old, and not the result of any    recent migration.  <\/p>\n<p>    He then goes on to quote David Reich arguing in favour of a    migration from the Steppe around 2500 BCE. Once again, Joseph    presents this view as the last word on the subject, although    not all geneticists agree.  <\/p>\n<p>    For instance, Partha Majumdar and co-workers have very recently    come up with quite    different conclusions in the journal, Human Genetics: In    contrast to the more ancient ancestry in the South than in the    North that has been claimed, we detected very similar    coalescence times within Northern and Southern non-tribal    Indian populations. A closest neighbour analysis in the    phylogeny showed that Indian populations have an affinity    towards Southern European populations and that the time of    divergence from these populations substantially predated the    Indo-European migration into India, probably reflecting ancient    shared ancestry rather than the Indo-European    migration, which had little effect on Indian male    lineages (emphasis mine).  <\/p>\n<p>    The Evidence From Archaeology  <\/p>\n<p>    Since Joseph believed he was shocking those who believed    genetic analysis had disproved Aryan immigration theories, I    shall return the favour.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hypotheses of migrations of Bronze Age populations into the    subcontinent fall afoul of archaeological evidence.    Paradoxically,     as I have described earlier, bronze itself goes missing    from the archaeological record for several centuries that are    supposed to correspond to the settling of the Bronze Age    Indo-Europeans into the subcontinent. As one of the foremost    authorities in the archaeology of the Indus Valley    Civilisation, Professor Jonathan Mark Kenoyer of the University    of Wisconsin points out, this actually reflects a prolonged    lack of contact of the subcontinent with the regions    the Aryans are supposed to have entered from.  <\/p>\n<p>    Also, geological evidence shows that the Ghaggar-Hakra river,    along whose channels numerous Harappan sites have been    discovered, was the River Saraswati described in the Vedas and    other ancient literature; indeed, the team of geologists led by    Peter D Clift which carried out the geological studies asserted    that the descriptions of the Saraswati in those texts was    remarkably accurate,     as I wrote in an earlier article.  <\/p>\n<p>    Such findings negate the Aryan immigration model, establish the    overlap (if not identity) of the Indus Valley and Vedic    cultures, and push back the dates for the composition of the    Vedic and other literature considerably.  <\/p>\n<p>    Agriculture In Subcontinent Indigenous,    Autochthonous  <\/p>\n<p>    There is clear evidence of continuous inhabitation of the    Gangetic plain from the Pleistocene. It is also abundantly    clear that agriculture was developed indigenously,    autochthonously, based on exploiting local resources, at    multiple centres on the subcontinent  the Saraswati-Indus    region, the Gangetic plain, Eastern, Central and Peninsular    India  in a natural progression from a hunting-gathering    lifestyle to a sedentary one, with no external stimulus, but    with strong interaction between various regions of the    subcontinent themselves right from the earliest Neolithic.  <\/p>\n<p>    The myth that the founding of agriculture, whether in the Indus    Valley or elsewhere in the subcontinent, is owed to migrations    from West Asia (the so-called Fertile Crescent) is not    supported by archaeological evidence.  <\/p>\n<p>    Based on current evidence, whether genetic or archaeological,    Josephs conclusion that, ...we are a multi-source    civilization, not a single-source one, drawing its cultural    impulses, its tradition and practices from a variety of    lineages and migration histories, is quite simply totally    wrong.  <\/p>\n<p>    One cannot impressed by Josephs quoting of a blogger with a    very questionable history like Razib Khan, while selectively    omitting the comments of a known scholar in the area like Dr    Gyaneshwer Chaubey after having sought them himself.  <\/p>\n<p>    Can one be sure he has not interviewed other scholars, but left    out their views from his article as they didnt suit his    pre-determined agenda  or just didnt interview scholars he    felt held such views?  <\/p>\n<p>    Joseph and others like him are welcome to write on any topic    they please, and are even free to take sides in line with their    prejudices. Indeed, all he has done is to paint a very recent    paper in a not particularly highly-ranked journal as the final    word in the debate, while coolly ignoring well-regarded studies    which arrive at differing conclusions in significantly    higher-ranked journals.  <\/p>\n<p>    All one asks is, when writing on a much-debated topic like this    one, they should at least show the intellectual sincerity to    mention divergent points of view, and not try to create a false    impression for the lay reader that they have been conclusively    addressed. That is neither very honest nor commendable.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Here is the original post: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/swarajyamag.com\/ideas\/genetics-might-be-settling-the-aryan-migration-debate-but-not-how-left-liberals-believe\" title=\"Genetics Might Be Settling The Aryan Migration Debate, But Not How Left-Liberals Believe - Swarajya\">Genetics Might Be Settling The Aryan Migration Debate, But Not How Left-Liberals Believe - Swarajya<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Writing in The Hindu, Tony Joseph has claimed that genetics has very sure-footedly resolved the debate about whether there was a migration of Indo-European people (Aryans) into the subcontinent around 2000-1500 BCE apparently, the unambiguous answer is yes. To anyone with a nodding acquaintance with the literature in the area, such an assertion is unfounded. Given the sheer importance of this topic to Indian history, it is necessary to challenge Josephs one-sided presentation of facts.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/human-genetics\/genetics-might-be-settling-the-aryan-migration-debate-but-not-how-left-liberals-believe-swarajya.php\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"limit_modified_date":"","last_modified_date":"","_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-220957","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-human-genetics"],"modified_by":null,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/220957"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=220957"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/220957\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=220957"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=220957"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=220957"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}