{"id":218504,"date":"2017-06-10T11:54:20","date_gmt":"2017-06-10T15:54:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/historian-ruth-ben-ghiat-donald-trump-looks-like-mussolini-but-can-be-overcome-salon.php"},"modified":"2017-06-10T11:54:20","modified_gmt":"2017-06-10T15:54:20","slug":"historian-ruth-ben-ghiat-donald-trump-looks-like-mussolini-but-can-be-overcome-salon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/donald-trump\/historian-ruth-ben-ghiat-donald-trump-looks-like-mussolini-but-can-be-overcome-salon.php","title":{"rendered":"Historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Donald Trump looks like Mussolini but can be overcome &#8211; Salon"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Political violence is a symptom of an ailing democracy. By that    standard, America is not well. Donald Trump and the Republican    Party injected it with poison. During the 2016 presidential    campaign Trump appeared to threaten Hillary Clinton and his    other opponents with violence  even suggesting that his    followers could use Second Amendment solutions to remove her    from office if she won the presidency. Trump also encouraged    his supporters to physically assault protesters and promised to    pay their medical bills if they did so.  <\/p>\n<p>    As documented by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Trumps    eventual victoryunleashed a     wave of hate crimes across the United States targeting    Muslims, Jews and people of color. White supremacists have    taken a cue from Trumps naked embrace of racism and bigotry    and have killed at least four people since the election in    November.  <\/p>\n<p>    There have been violent clashes between Trump supporters and    those who believe that he and his movement are fascists and    represent a grave threat to American democracy and freedom. In    keeping with his plutocratic authoritarianism, Trump has    targeted journalists and the news media as traitors and    enemies of the American people. Two weeks ago Greg    Gianforte, a Republican congressional candidate in Montana,    physically assaulted a reporter from The Guardian. Such    violence did not appear to hurt his support among voters;    Gianforte went on to win that states special election.  <\/p>\n<p>    In many ways, Donald Trumps embrace of political violence is a    reflection of his personal values. Trump proudly proclaimed    that he could shoot a person in the middle of the street and    still beelected. In 1989 he took out full-page ads in    several New York newspapers calling for the death    penaltyfor the Central Park Five, a group of young black    and Latino men accused of an infamous rape. After being    convicted and sentenced to long prison terms, all five men were    later found innocent. Trump has refused to apologize for wrongly    calling for their deaths. Trump has also embraced President Rodrigo Duterte of the    Philippines,who has conducted a campaign of    state-sponsored murder against drug dealers and drug users.  <\/p>\n<p>    Donald Trump has been accused of sexually predatory conduct and    has bragged about grabbing women by their genitals, an action    he boasted he could get away with because of his fame and    money.  <\/p>\n<p>    What role does political violence play in Donald Trumps appeal    to his voters? How is it related to his authoritarian politics?    What does Trumps embrace of violence reveal about his    masculinity? What does the future hold for a nation where    political violence is becoming increasingly acceptable?  <\/p>\n<p>    In an effort to answer these questions, I recently spoke with    Ruth    Ben-Ghiat, a professor of history and Italian studies at    New York University and an expert on the fascist regime of    Benito Mussolini. Ben-Ghiat is completing a forthcoming book on    authoritarianism and political strongmen and has written    extensively about Trumps rise to power and the dangers to    American democracy he represents.  <\/p>\n<p>    Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity. A    longer version can be heard onmy podcast, available on    SalonsFeatured Audiopage.  <\/p>\n<p>    How do you think Donald Trump rose to power? Was this    something out of left field?  <\/p>\n<p>    There are times in history where someone comes out of the blue    who coalesces the forces of discontent and anxiety and hope.    This kind of leader usually comes from outside traditional    politics and knows how to be all things to all people. Then    theres the charisma. Because the kind of attachment that    Trumps followers form is based not on a party or a principle     because Trump is not very dedicated to the Republican Party     its based on an emotional bond. These men appear and theyre a    kind of savior with this rhetoric of I will fix it. I will    care for you. This has happened before in history and now in    the United States with Donald Trump, we have an opportunity to    analyze this in real time.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hes really an expert in manipulating emotions. On a    basic level his supporters are in love with him. He is their    avatar. Do you think thats a reach?  <\/p>\n<p>    No, I do not think that it is a reach. Im a historian of    visual propaganda. When I look at a tape of a rally, I look for    postures. I look for the T-shirts, and its quite    extraordinary. Trump is a type of literal political strongman    for his people. He appears as John Wayne. He appears as a    bodybuilder, like a Schwarzenegger-type. At his rallies, people    love to play with cardboard cutouts of his head.  <\/p>\n<p>    In addition, Trump uses his body to convey a sense of heroic    masculinity to other men. For example, he had a type of death    match handshake with French President Emmanuel Macron, who is    a handsome, younger man. Trump is always trying to best the    other man. To do this he engages in a type of ritual    humiliation of all men who want to be around him. This is a    kind of bullying that I call the culture of threat.  <\/p>\n<p>    What Trump is doing is telling a story. Its an    extension of 1980s Reagan-era action movies. But we also have    to call out the target of the violence. It is not white folks.    Trump is signaling that he can enact violence against black and    brown people and get away with it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Trump is also using the genre of theWestern. When youre    shooting someone in the street, its the showdown and Trump    towers above in his fortress. A lot of his rhetoric of being    threatened, being victimized  its a morality play. The thing    that is extraordinary is that the more familiar morality play    and showdown dated back to the Cold War, where it was clear    that Russia was the Evil Empire, according to Ronald Reagan.  <\/p>\n<p>    Here we have a profound shift: Who is the evil person above    all? The person of color in his own country. Then there is also    a profound distrust or disdain for liberal democracy. At the    local level, [Trumps] the avenger. Hes the person who sits    with a gun in his hand and Fifth Avenue is his street. At the    national level, he plays the cowboy whos going to defend our    nation, except the joke is that hes a vessel of Vladimir    Putin.  <\/p>\n<p>      How do we locate Donald Trump relative to toxic white      masculinity, authoritarianism and fascism?     <\/p>\n<p>      Its a big question. I do not call Donald Trump a fascist      because I want to respect the fact that historically under      fascism you ended up with a one-party state. I think its      important to respect that difference, in part . . . to show      how things have changed.    <\/p>\n<p>      However, today you do not need to have a dictatorship or a      one-party state in order to accomplish your goals. You can      take a democracy and change it through expansions of      executive power and other repressions until you have the same      effect on the subject population and a quasi-rubber-stamp      parliament, without declaring a dictatorship.    <\/p>\n<p>      Now with Trump, he uses fascist tactics. One of them is the      testing of the population, the media and the elites at the      beginning. This is so key. There are many things Trump does      that are fascistic without having to become a one-party state      dictator.    <\/p>\n<p>      What would be a better word to describe him: a      plutocratic authoritarian, an American fascist, something      else?    <\/p>\n<p>      Hes an authoritarian.    <\/p>\n<p>      How is Trump similar or different to other      authoritarians you have studied?    <\/p>\n<p>      The classic dictators were usually very concerned with race.      A lot of what Trump is doing is trying to turn the clock back      on demographic change. Theres this panic around the world      today about what I would label as mobile populations. These      are refugees, people who are supposedly going to invade our      borders. This explains the fixation with walls and      controlling space.    <\/p>\n<p>      How do we make sense of the connections between      emotion and authoritarianism, either culturally or      personally?    <\/p>\n<p>      The whole spectacle of fascist aesthetics is designed to      desensitize you. We still see that today, after 80 years. We      havent progressed much from this. Think about it:If      you live in a place where there are informers everywhere, you      start to self-censor. This could be self-censorship if youre      a journalist or if youre an ordinary citizen. You have to      live in a kind of shut-down manner unless youre going to      become what used to be called a dissident. Theres a sense      of disaffection in America which Trump has been able to      exploit.    <\/p>\n<p>      Michael Moore in his movie TrumpLand called a certain type      of white male, such as Newt Gingrich, for example, the dying      dinosaurs. These are a group of people who suspect       especially if they read the Census  that by 2042 America      will be a minority majority country. This is fundamental to      Trumpism and to his supporters. Theyre in a panic about      this. The dying dinosaur is also the man who can sexually      harass women without any consequences.    <\/p>\n<p>      That gets us to political correctness. When Trump      says, Im not politically correct, hes really saying, Now      you can do what you want. You can be self-actualized.          <\/p>\n<p>      Thats right. Again it goes back to the point of how fake      news is an alternate reality that people are very invested      in. This is their certainty. Its a certainty that goes with      their emotional state. Once people make these bonds of      attachment with this kind of charismatic ruler, its hard to      break them.    <\/p>\n<p>      Lets consider Greg Gianforte in Montana. It was      clear he was going to win anyway even though he had assaulted      a journalist. There are a whole lot of Republican voters who      are excited and titillated by violence and wanted to support      Gianforte.    <\/p>\n<p>      Greg Gianforte becomes a masculine hero. He becomes the      heartland versus the elite, even though hes a wealthy      businessman. Again this is suspending a lot of reality for      this narrative to work. I think that right now with all the      Russia investigations and Fox News imploding, the right-wing      public is looking for heroes  and heroes who first, of      course, are also victims.    <\/p>\n<p>      Somehow, as often happens, this assaulter becomes a victim,      which is how he tried to spin it in his statement. He becomes      a victim of the media. Then we go back to the media being      vultures. Trump openly admires violent people. He himself      says violent things. This becomes internalized and      legitimated or rather was already internalized by people like      Gianforte.    <\/p>\n<p>      The SPLC has documented a huge increase in hate      crimes since Trumps campaign began in 2016. There have also      been the recent white supremacist murders in Maryland and      Portland as well.    <\/p>\n<p>      What happens is that the bar for behavior shifts. You can      become used to seeing violence, but its also that doing      violence becomes more acceptable. We think of normalization      in a bureaucratic way. We decide to accept these institutions      and these things which we thought were rogue before.      Normalization is a form of decriminalization. Its when Trump      can say, Ill shoot someone and he does not get booted out      as a candidate. He wins. You decided to accept what used to      be considered lawless. Theres trickle-down violence, just as      theres trickle-down racism. Trump sets the tone.    <\/p>\n<p>      How do you think America will be changed by Donald      Trumps presidency? Are these changes permanent and      irrevocable? Or are they temporary?    <\/p>\n<p>      If Mike Pence becomes president, all of the social-racial      agenda will likely continue because thats why he was put      there. Pence is the mainstream Republican, for a party which      has moved significantly to the right. That will go on and it      will be a fight to preserve reproductive and other civil      rights.    <\/p>\n<p>      To end on something positive, theres been an undeniable,      enormous resurgence of activism and also patriotism.      Ultimately, I think that its doubtful that Trump is      preparing the way for an even more hard-line authoritarian.    <\/p>\n<p>      What do you think history can teach us? What sort of      leverage can historians provide for us in this      moment?    <\/p>\n<p>      Thats a great question. We are living through one of these      rare times in life when events are outstripping our capacity      to understand them. First, it was the shock of the election.      People were depressed. They didnt know what to do. Then the      blitzkrieg of all the travel bans and all of the shocking      events that Trump engineered. People feel very disconcerted      and frightened. History is useful because youre able to step      back and see patterns: This has happened before, and this is      how it was defeated. This is what we have to look for.    <\/p>\n<p>      Im not sure that people learn from the past even if its      presented to them because I feel that the temptations that      someone like Trump represents are only combated by looking      within ourselves. The attraction is the attraction of power       and to be more specific, an attraction to white male power.      This proves very seductive to many. The attraction of wealth,      of glamour, all these things go into why Trump has been      successful as an image-maker and why he was able to be      accepted as our protector.    <\/p>\n<p>      Until those internal things are settled, its hard to say      that just because I tell you he looks like Mussolini, youre      going to say, Forget that. I dont like him anymore.      Historians are able to look back and also to the future. I      for one am glad that Ive been able to write and give comfort      to people.    <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>The rest is here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2017\/06\/10\/historian-ruth-ben-ghiat-donald-trump-looks-like-mussolini-but-can-be-overcome\/\" title=\"Historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Donald Trump looks like Mussolini but can be overcome - Salon\">Historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Donald Trump looks like Mussolini but can be overcome - Salon<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Political violence is a symptom of an ailing democracy. 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