{"id":218308,"date":"2017-06-10T10:47:03","date_gmt":"2017-06-10T14:47:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/when-worlds-collude-hoppe-bruenig-and-their-shared-vision-of-the-libertarian-future-i-nolan-chart-llc.php"},"modified":"2017-06-10T10:47:03","modified_gmt":"2017-06-10T14:47:03","slug":"when-worlds-collude-hoppe-bruenig-and-their-shared-vision-of-the-libertarian-future-i-nolan-chart-llc","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/libertarian\/when-worlds-collude-hoppe-bruenig-and-their-shared-vision-of-the-libertarian-future-i-nolan-chart-llc.php","title":{"rendered":"When Worlds Collude: Hoppe, Bruenig, and their shared vision of the libertarian future (I) &#8211; Nolan Chart LLC"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Progressive lawyer, online pundit, and internet troll Matt    Bruenig has a question forlibertarians: My first    question for Cato and libertarians more generally is this: What    is upwith Hans-Hermann Hoppe?[1]  <\/p>\n<p>    I wish I could respond, Who? Alas, I am well aware of Hoppe.    Many libertarians and other readers, though, may have just that    response. Fortunately, Bruenig hasprovide an    introduction:  <\/p>\n<p>    For the unacquainted, Hoppe is a very prominent libertarian    academic, certainly well knownwithin intellectual    libertarian circles. He ironically works at the University of    Nevada as aneconomics professor, making him a public    employee. He publishes frequently in libertarianacademic    journals, is a Distinguished Fellow at the Ludwig von Mises    Institute, founded theProperty & Freedom Society, is    frequently referenced by other libertarians as one of them,    and[authored a] 2001 book Democracy: The God That    Failed. It is a tad on the long side, but itsreally    good, the [following] quotes especially.[1]  <\/p>\n<p>    We will look at Bruenigs quotes later. For now it is enough to    say that, while Hoppe does have followers who self-identify as    libertarians, many if not most libertarians who know of him    want nothing to do with him.  <\/p>\n<p>    Here is an assessment of Hoppe that I suspect many libertarians    who have read him or his admirerswould accept:  <\/p>\n<p>    The errors of Hans-Hermann Hoppe are regrettable for two    reasons: Firstly, Hoppe is a highlyintelligent and    well-educated economist who  for whatever reasons  fails to    notice when he doesdamage to the values of freedom and    property, which he claims to support. This is the    tragicpersonal side of Hans-Hermann Hoppe. But it is also    tragic for academic discussions: At a timewhen we are    surrounded by ever growing welfare states we badly need    thinkers like Hoppe to showus how to tackle todays    problems. But instead of doing that, Hoppe prefers to take    refuge in hispipe dreams of a so-called natural order,    which rather resembles the abyss of a variation    ofright-wing totalitarianism. For all these reasons, for    all his errors and mistakes and for hiswrong-headed    methodology we may expect Hoppes ideas to remain a footnote in    the history ofpolitical thought. And it may well be    better this way. An effective strategy of liberation    wouldlook very different. If Hoppe continues to use the    terms liberalism and freedom for hisauthoritarian and    pseudo-liberal agenda, it is time for the true liberals to    claim back theseterms from him.[2]  <\/p>\n<p>    It is only necessary to add that (1) the very idea of    libertarianism that Bruenig claimslibertarians should be    following (2) is not only compatible with, but looks like it    would result in,Hoppes theorized libertarian society of    the future; furthermore, while (3) Hoppes account of    that societysuffers from serious flaws and errors, (4)    Bruenigs account of that future society, being based on his    reading of Hoppe, has the same flaws and errors. Making those    four points is easy enough, but demonstrating them requires a    bit more work.  <\/p>\n<p>    Bruenig believes that libertarians should advocate for an ideal    state of affairs that he calls Grab-what-you-can world or    Grab World. He claims that this is the only possible world    compatible with thelibertarian core belief (or set of    beliefs) that are referred to under the label of the    Non-Aggression Principle or NAP:  <\/p>\n<p>    The world which follows the non-aggression principle is the    one Roderick Long calls the grab-what-you-can world'  this    quote [from Long] clearly describes the only world that    followsthenon-aggression principle  the    grab-what-you-can world satisfies the    non-aggressionprinciple andno other world does     almost everyone opposes following the    non-aggressionprinciple as itrequires the    grab-what-you-can world  the grab-what-you-can world is    theworld that follows thenon-aggression    principle.[3]  <\/p>\n<p>    This claim follows from Bruenigs definition of force, which    is not the standard libertarianone. By his definition,    theft, embezzlement, fraud, looting, and other property    offensesshould not be considered uses of force: a    property offense involves no force (strictly defined)    becauseno body has been    attacked.[4] By this definition  that    force is just attacking other peoplesbodies  Bruenig    reasons his way to Grab World:  <\/p>\n<p>    Its simple: 1) grabbing pieces of the world does not, by    itself, involve initiating forceagainst other people (if    it did, then all resource use would be considered aggression),    and 2)attacking someone for grabbing up a piece of the    world does involve initiating force againstother    people.[3]  <\/p>\n<p>    In Grab World, there is only one law, the Basic Rule: You may    not act upon the bodies of otherswithout their    consent.[4] Everything else, including the    property crimes listed above, wouldbe legal.From    this Rule follows the idea of Grab World, as envisioned    by its creator, Roderick Long (thelibertarian philosopher    from whom Bruenig grabbed the idea):  <\/p>\n<p>    Imagine a world in which people freely expropriate other    peoples possessions; nobody initiatesforce directly    against another persons body, but subject to that constraint,    people regularlygrab any external resource they can get    their hands on, regardless of who has made or been    usingthe resource. Any conception of aggression according    to which the world so described is free ofaggression is    not a plausible one.[5]  <\/p>\n<p>    Plausibly or not, Grab World is free from aggression (the    initiation of force) as Bruenig definesit: in the    libertarian set, there seems to be severe difficulties with    distinguishing betweenwhat we might call Actual    Initiation (defined as who touched who first) and    IdeologicalInitiation[6]. What    [libertarians] actually mean by initiation of force is    not some neutral notionof hauling off and physically    attacking someone.[7]  <\/p>\n<p>    David S. Amato points out that Bruenigs criterion of Actual    Initiation as touching would not includepointing a gun    at someone else: even the mugger doesnt, underBruenigs    Actual Initiation standard, initiate force against his victim,    at least notnecessarily. Pointing a gun at someone, with    the desired goal of taking his money or    possessions,doesnt require the mugger to touch the    victim, to make any actual, physical    contact.[5] Nor, for that matter, would    pulling the trigger. But to be charitable,that conclusion    should probably be chalked up to Bruenigs sloppy writing    rather than his actualbeliefs; it is reasonable to think    that he includes shooting and threatening people with    guns,bows and arrows, and bombs as examples of the use of    force as well as mere touching.  <\/p>\n<p>    What seems less reasonable is to imagine the Grab World state    of affairs obtaining in reality.Grab World would require    a society of pacifists (as, by stipulation, nobody initiates    forcedirectly against another persons body). But while    difficult to conceive, it is not logicallyimpossible. As    a youth I read a speculative fiction novel by Damon Knight,    Rule Golden, in whichthe galactic overlords    unleashed a gas upon earth which caused everyone who physically    hurt another personto experience the victims pain; those    who killed others would die.[8] Anyone with    enoughimagination could probably think of other ways for    Grab World to be instantiated.  <\/p>\n<p>    So far, so good. But Bruenig makes assumptions about Grab World    that do not look so reasonable.Among them:  <\/p>\n<p>    (1) It is more or less communism, yes.[9]    No, it is not. It may resemble the ultimate    communistsociety that Karl Marx envisioned; but it rules    out any chance to establish the dictatorship of    theproletariat that Marx saw as being necessary to get    there. In the dictatorship stage, which isall that    every self-proclaimed Communist regime has ever reached, there    is plenty of property; itjust all belongs to the state.    Property rules against trespass, theft, and the like have    alwaysbeen enforced by the states violence and    bloodshed (as Bruenig likes to call it) under    thoseregimes just as strongly as in states with private    property; even more violently and bloodily, in many cases.  <\/p>\n<p>    (2) there is a state that is preventing people from assaulting    and battering and the like.[9]Wrong    again. States require a division of labor society which in turn    requires an exchangeeconomy: since those enforcing the    Basic Rule are losing the opportunity to grab or produce    goodsand resources or themselves, they must be supported    by those who are doing the latter. ButBruenig forecasts    that, on grab world, exchange would initially break down    completely:  <\/p>\n<p>    there is no such thing as a non-coercive trade. All trades rely    upon violent coercion. I onlytrade with someone because    they have a violence voucher that they will redeem [from the    state] if I decide to actupon the piece of the world    without doing so. They only trade with me for the same reason.    If yougot rid of the coercion, which is to say you got    rid of violence vouchers, no trading    wouldoccur.[6]  <\/p>\n<p>    Without the possibility of exchange, production of consumer    goods would grind to a halt; whowould buy them, when one    could just loot for them? But with nothing being produced, at a    certainpoint people would start running out of stores to    loot; then where would a state get its tools ofviolence,    its guns, handcuffs, police cars, prisons, tanks, fighter    planes, and all the rest?Given Grab Worlds universal    pacifism, those are not things they could go around and    grabfrom just anyone.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even if the state did get manage to get supplied with its tools    of violence, it could not usethem, as that would be    acting on the bodies of others without their consent, just as    it is today.No one could be physically detained,    arrested, or held at gunpoint (much less shot) in Grab World.    No one couldbe jailed or placed under house arrest    awaiting trial, physically compelled to attend a    trial(including witnesses or jurors as well as    defendants), or punished physically, including    byimprisonment, if convicted.  <\/p>\n<p>    Since Bruenigs Basic Rule forbids anyone to act on the bodies    of others, it forbids its ownenforcement. All a state    could do to anyone violating Bruenigs Rule, without itself    violating the Rule, would be to grab things from him; in    other words, the Basic Rule would forbid anyone    fromtreating those who violate it any differently from    non-violators. That would mean the end of thestate as we    know it, and as we have known it for all of recorded history.  <\/p>\n<p>    (3) It is a propertyless society.[9] There    is no reason to think so. As Bruenig admits, there is nothing    in Grab World stopping people from developing their own rules    and conventions, which could include rules against taking each    others property, invading each others homes,killing    each others pets, and the like. Those rules could of course    include standard libertarianrules respecting property    rights, as they would be consensual, and therefore could    include allowing others to useforce in response to cases    of theft and so on.[11]  <\/p>\n<p>    Since in communities with such rules, and those communities    only, people would be able to produce and tradegoods, it    is reasonable to imagine them as coming into immediate being in    actual communities;villages and small towns where    people know and trust each other. Only such communities could    givepeople the property security, and the division    of labor, necessary to maintain a more-thanstarvation    existence after the cities were looted. However, they could do    so only byinstantiating property rights through voluntary    community covenants.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is easy to imagine these proprietary communities expanding    to the size of whole counties,walled or fenced off and    guarded against outsiders. It would be easy enough (and not    necessarilyinvolve any touching) to restrict admission    only to those who consented to the community rules    onforce. One can even imagine a flood of refugees to them    from the cities, all of whom were admitted would    haveconsented to the standard libertarian view of    defensive force.  <\/p>\n<p>    Outsiders like Bruenig would still have the negative liberty to    invade and loot communities, andsome might do just that;    but there is no reason communities would have to merely let    them do it.Non-consenters could climb fences, or cut    holes in them, to get in to do their looting; but toget    out again they would have to let go of their loot; at which    point a community police or possecould simply grab it all    back. Would-be looters could also tunnel under fences; but    communitydefenders could simply destroy the tunnels.    (Question for any Bruenig Bros reading: woulddestroying a    tunnel with looters in it count as attacking them?)  <\/p>\n<p>    I have written elsewhere on this    evolution.[10] To sum up:rather than a    propertyless society, Grab World looks like it would evolve    into thestateless world of proprietary communities    envisioned by Hoppe, where political power isstripped    from the hands of the central government and reassigned to the    states, provinces,cities, towns, villages, residential    districts, and ultimately to private property owners    andtheir voluntary associations.[1]  <\/p>\n<p>    However, the vision of those libertarian communities imagined    by Hoppe looks completely flawed,riddled with conceptual    errors. Those errors in turn inspire Bruenig to adopt a    similarly flawedaccount filled with the same errors.    Documenting that assessment, though, must wait for now.  <\/p>\n<p>    [1] Matt Bruenig, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Libertarian    Extraordinaire, Demos, September 11, 2013. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.demos.org\/blog\/9\/11\/13\/hans-hermann-hoppe-libertarian-extraordinaire\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.demos.org\/blog\/9\/11\/13\/hans-hermann-hoppe-libertarian-extraordinaire<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>    [2] Oliver Hartwich, The Errors of    Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Open Republic Magazine (Dublin) 1:2    (October 2005). Web, June 9, 2017. <a href=\"https:\/\/oliverhartwich.com\/2005\/10\/10\/the-errors-of-hans-hermann-hoppe\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/oliverhartwich.com\/2005\/10\/10\/the-errors-of-hans-hermann-hoppe\/<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>    [3] Matt Bruenig, What a World Following the    Non-Aggression Principle Looks Like, Demos, January 29, 2014.    <a href=\"http:\/\/www.demos.org\/blog\/1\/29\/14\/what-world-following-non-aggression-principle-looks\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.demos.org\/blog\/1\/29\/14\/what-world-following-non-aggression-principle-looks<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>    [4] Matt Bruenig, The Lesson of Grab What You    Can, Demos, June 3, 2014.        <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20140606193500\/http:\/\/www.demos.org\/blog\/6\/3\/14\/lesson-grab-what-you-can\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20140606193500\/http:\/\/www.demos.org\/blog\/6\/3\/14\/lesson-grab-what-you-can<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>    [5] David S. Amato, Against Grab World,    Libertarianism.org, October 15, 2015.    <a href=\"https:\/\/www.libertarianism.org\/columns\/against-grab-world\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/www.libertarianism.org\/columns\/against-grab-world<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>    [6] Matt Bruenig, Violence Vouchers: A    descriptive account of property, Matt Bruenig Politics, March    28, 2014. <a href=\"http:\/\/mattbruenig.com\/2014\/03\/28\/violence-vouchers-a-descriptive-account-of-property\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/mattbruenig.com\/2014\/03\/28\/violence-vouchers-a-descriptive-account-of-property\/<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>    [7] Matt Bruenig, Can you sustain an economic    philosophy solely by begging the question?. Matt Bruenig    Politics, October 7,2015. <a href=\"http:\/\/mattbruenig.com\/2015\/10\/02\/can-you-sustain-an-economic-philosophy-solely-by-begging-the-question\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/mattbruenig.com\/2015\/10\/02\/can-you-sustain-an-economic-philosophy-solely-by-begging-the-question\/<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>    [8] Damon Knight, Rule Golden, Three    Novels. Garden City, NY: Doubleday. Print.  <\/p>\n<p>    [9] Matt Bruenig, Comment, June 23, 2014, to    Bruenig, Pick-up basketball and grab what you can. Matt    Bruenig Politics, June 22, 2014. <a href=\"http:\/\/mattbruenig.com\/2014\/06\/22\/pick-up-basketball-and-grab-what-you-can\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/mattbruenig.com\/2014\/06\/22\/pick-up-basketball-and-grab-what-you-can\/<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>    [10] George J. Dance, Grab World, Nolan    Chart, May 26, 2017. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nolanchart.com\/grab-world\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/www.nolanchart.com\/grab-world<\/a>  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read the original here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nolanchart.com\/when-world-collude-hoppe-bruenig-and-their-shared-vision-of-the-libertarian-future-i\" title=\"When Worlds Collude: Hoppe, Bruenig, and their shared vision of the libertarian future (I) - Nolan Chart LLC\">When Worlds Collude: Hoppe, Bruenig, and their shared vision of the libertarian future (I) - Nolan Chart LLC<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Progressive lawyer, online pundit, and internet troll Matt Bruenig has a question forlibertarians: My first question for Cato and libertarians more generally is this: What is upwith Hans-Hermann Hoppe?[1] I wish I could respond, Who?  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/libertarian\/when-worlds-collude-hoppe-bruenig-and-their-shared-vision-of-the-libertarian-future-i-nolan-chart-llc.php\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"limit_modified_date":"","last_modified_date":"","_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[28],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-218308","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-libertarian"],"modified_by":null,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/218308"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=218308"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/218308\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=218308"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=218308"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=218308"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}