{"id":217017,"date":"2017-06-06T17:51:31","date_gmt":"2017-06-06T21:51:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/when-did-we-become-a-country-the-not-so-great-chaplincruz-debate-above-the-law.php"},"modified":"2017-06-06T17:51:31","modified_gmt":"2017-06-06T21:51:31","slug":"when-did-we-become-a-country-the-not-so-great-chaplincruz-debate-above-the-law","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/micronations\/when-did-we-become-a-country-the-not-so-great-chaplincruz-debate-above-the-law.php","title":{"rendered":"When Did We Become A Country? The (Not So) Great Chaplin\/Cruz Debate &#8211; Above the Law"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      (Photo by Andrew Burton\/Getty Images)    <\/p>\n<p>    It started with a tweet about President Trumps decision to    pull us out of the Paris Climate Agreement.    Professor Chaplin who is the Chair of American Studies    Department at Harvard and the James Duncan Phillips Professor,    tweeted this:  <\/p>\n<p>    That tweet somehow got picked up by Senator Ted Cruz, who, in    the spirit of curiosity and intellectual inquiry, sought to    clarify what Professor Chaplin meant. He asked, Dear    Professor Chaplin, your tweet struck me as odd, given that we    all usually think of July 4, 1776, as the birth of our    nation. Can you clarify what you mean?  <\/p>\n<p>    Just kidding! He completely dismissed her, and then in    the right-wing press, was described as having owned her.  <\/p>\n<p>    That led to Professor Chaplins clapback:  <\/p>\n<p>    I jumped in because it was clear that Senator Cruz wasnt    looking for intellectual debate, or he wouldnt have started    out with the ad hominem and condescension. As    one of my colleagues wrote, What did Senator Cruz say that was    wrong? My reply was:  <\/p>\n<p>    And then discussion degenerated. I dont have time    to do a thorough statistical analysis, but the vast of majority    of replies (at least to me) were insults. There were a    few who came to Professor Chaplins defense, seeking to    elaborate on her points (if they went to her twitter feed, they    would have seen some more discussion). Many came to    Senator Cruzs defense. But, at this point, the    discussion became partisan, and all hope for any understanding    was lost.  <\/p>\n<p>    So, let me try to sum up the two positions, not doing justice    to either side.  <\/p>\n<p>    A country requires international recognition to    exist. I could declare myself the great    state of LawProfBlawg, but no one is going to acknowledge my    country. I wont be a player on any international arena,    and I might very well get invaded. Throughout history there    were many nations that lacked international recognition, such    as the Republic of Lakotah, the Principality of the Hutt River,    or other micronations. Some countries have varying    degrees of international recognition, which makes the notion    murkier, but it is still a necessary condition for    statehood. Professor Chaplin takes a more eloquent    position     here.  <\/p>\n<p>    A country begins at conception. Perhaps    Orin Kerr said it best in his tweet:  <\/p>\n<p>    In other words, the Declaration of Independence created the    United Colonies, which then undertook a name change on    September 9, 1776, to the United States of America. The    only trouble here is that the founders spoke of free and    independent states, so perhaps then we should be talking about    multiple countries. Regardless, by the time of the    Articles of Confederation and later the Constitution, it was    very clear they were a single country, the good ol US of A.  <\/p>\n<p>    Blog length makes my summary of both arguments incomplete, with    many unanswered questions. For example, was the    Confederate States of America a country? It did declare    independence, and under the second standard, would have to be    historically recognized as a country. Under the first    standard, the Confederacy was not a country because it received    no international recognition. But there are countries    that exist without full international    recognition. In short, its murky.  <\/p>\n<p>    While the answer may be murky a few things about the great    debate are clear:  <\/p>\n<p>    I wondered about the gender implications of the debate. I    wondered if this is what it is like to be a female faculty    member at a University.  <\/p>\n<p>    I wonder why Im even calling it a debate. Professor    Chaplin was doing what most of us do on Twitter. She    wasnt expecting a Cruzian call-out. She was expressing    outrage at the United States, a member of the international    community since birth, pulling out of that community.    Even as other tweeters got involved, it was never a    debate. It had all the trappings of the famous Monty    Python Argument    Clinic.  <\/p>\n<p>    Thats not the fault of Twitter. Those with differing    viewpoints refuse to seek common understanding, as traditional    debate becomes an increasingly lost art. The loss will    eventually destroy us, if it hasnt already.  <\/p>\n<p>    UPDATE (2:45 p.m.): After hearing from    Senator Cruzs staff members, I must add that I was remiss in    not pointing out that Senator Cruz did lay out his argument in    two subsequent tweets:  <\/p>\n<p>    I would characterize this more along the lines of the    conception argument, but might eliminate the problem of what to    call the Confederacy (because they lost). Ill incorporate my    previous assertions to apply to these tweets as well.  <\/p>\n<p>    LawProfBlawg is an anonymous professor at a top 100    law school. You can see more of his    musingshereand    onTwitter.    Email him <a href=\"mailto:atlawprofblawg@gmail.com\">atlawprofblawg@gmail.com<\/a>.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read the original here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2017\/06\/when-did-we-become-a-country-the-not-so-great-chaplincruz-debate\/\" title=\"When Did We Become A Country? The (Not So) Great Chaplin\/Cruz Debate - Above the Law\">When Did We Become A Country? The (Not So) Great Chaplin\/Cruz Debate - Above the Law<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> (Photo by Andrew Burton\/Getty Images) It started with a tweet about President Trumps decision to pull us out of the Paris Climate Agreement. Professor Chaplin who is the Chair of American Studies Department at Harvard and the James Duncan Phillips Professor, tweeted this: That tweet somehow got picked up by Senator Ted Cruz, who, in the spirit of curiosity and intellectual inquiry, sought to clarify what Professor Chaplin meant.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/micronations\/when-did-we-become-a-country-the-not-so-great-chaplincruz-debate-above-the-law.php\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"limit_modified_date":"","last_modified_date":"","_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[431653],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-217017","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-micronations"],"modified_by":null,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/217017"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=217017"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/217017\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=217017"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=217017"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=217017"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}