{"id":216490,"date":"2017-06-05T06:09:07","date_gmt":"2017-06-05T10:09:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/a-twist-in-discussions-of-chimpanzee-spirituality-13-7-cosmos-npr.php"},"modified":"2017-06-05T06:09:07","modified_gmt":"2017-06-05T10:09:07","slug":"a-twist-in-discussions-of-chimpanzee-spirituality-13-7-cosmos-npr","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/spirituality\/a-twist-in-discussions-of-chimpanzee-spirituality-13-7-cosmos-npr.php","title":{"rendered":"A Twist In Discussions Of Chimpanzee Spirituality : 13.7: Cosmos &#8230; &#8211; NPR"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Are chimpanzees spiritual?  <\/p>\n<p>    It's a question that Jane    Goodall made famous by     proposing that the rhythmic swaying and rock-throwing by    chimpanzees at waterfalls in Gombe, Tanzania, is an expression    of awe and wonder  of spirituality.  <\/p>\n<p>    It's a question, too, that takes on new twists and turns as new    data come in. In 2016, a group of 80 scientists reported in    Scientific    Reports that chimpanzees at four sites across West    Africa cache stones and throw them repeatedly at trees. One of    those scientists, Laura    Kehoe, who is now a postdoctoral researcher at the Baum Lab    at the University of Victoria, earned global media headlines    for a passage she included when writing a post at     The Conversation:  <\/p>\n<p>        \"Maybe we found the first evidence of chimpanzees creating        a kind of shrine that could indicate sacred trees.        Indigenous West African people have stone collections at        'sacred' trees and such man-made stone collections are        commonly observed across the world and look eerily similar        to what we have discovered here.\"      <\/p>\n<p>    My response to this passage was skepticism, both at        The Atlantic and here at     13.7, because the leap from \"potential chimpanzee    stone-throwing ritual\" to \"sacred trees\" is just too great for    me.  <\/p>\n<p>    Fast forward to last month, when Wisconsin Public Radio's Steve    Paulson aired an interview    with Kehoe at To the Best of Our Knowledge. Kehoe    described the basics for Paulson's audience: how chimpanzees in    Guinea, often but not exclusively adult males, throw large (8    kg. to 9 kg.) stones at selected trees repeatedly, and    sometimes place the stones in a tree cavity instead of hurling    them. Could this be a ritual with a spiritual dimension? Could    the trees be shrines? \"Plausibility shouldn't be mistaken for    proof,\" Kehoe replied to Paulson. \"I do think that it's a    possibility  some things can seem unlikely until they are    discovered.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    In the same segment, Paulson also interviewed me and    primatologist Frans    de Waal. We each suggested simpler explanations like apes    wishing to impress an audience of other apes, or pure pleasure    in aimed throwing at trees.  <\/p>\n<p>    But then an interesting thing happened. Kehoe reached out to me    by email to express her regret about how her views on    stone-throwing have been presented in the media, including in    Paulson's interview, which, she felt, focused    disproportionately on the spirituality angle at the expense of    other possible explanations that she offered.  <\/p>\n<p>    When I communicated this  with Kehoe's permission  to    Paulson, he pointed out that he had \"left in [the interview]    her comments about this being a highly speculative possibility     something worth considering  and her dislike of the     newspaper headline about chimps finding God.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    But here's the main point, and a surprising one: Kehoe told me    that she doesn't, in fact, really think that the spirituality    explanation is the most likely one at all.  <\/p>\n<p>    I followed up by asking questions of Kehoe, who started by    noting that her own observations in Guinea  at a site part of    the Pan African    Program with 34 chimpanzee field locations across Africa     came about through collaborative research:  <\/p>\n<p>        \"Our field guide, Mamadou Alioh Bah, first spotted the        marks on a hollow tree. Lucy D'Auvergne (an experienced        primatologist) and I decided to set-up a motion-activated        camera and caught the elusive behavior on tape a few weeks        later.\"      <\/p>\n<p>    What range of explanations, I asked, does she think are    reasonable to consider for the stone-throwing behavior, and    which does she find most likely? She answered:  <\/p>\n<p>        \"This is the first time we have found chimpanzees        repeatedly using stones at specific sites  with no        relation to finding food. I think it most likely came about        as part of a male display and could be related to        long-distance communication  as there aren't many roots        with large buttresses for drumming in this area and the        sound of a stone hitting a hollow tree may carry better in        a savannah ecosystem.      <\/p>\n<p>        It is also possible that the stone accumulations may serve        as some kind of territorial landmarks. However, both of        these theories are tricky to test given that many of these        sites are outside of protected areas and undergoing local        habitat loss.\"      <\/p>\n<p>    The notion of chimpanzee spirituality, Kehoe thinks, \"simply    makes for a more riveting story\" than the other more pedestrian    explanations. She continued:  <\/p>\n<p>        \"Of course, it is partly my fault for alluding to the        possibility that this mysterious behavior could be linked        to something sacred  this is because these sites are        superficially very similar to human stone accumulations at        'sacred' trees. While I do think this aspect is worth        pondering, it is a highly speculative remark that is by far        one of the least likely explanations to this behavior. It        has no concrete evidence.\"      <\/p>\n<p>    So, if a person closely associated with the idea of chimpanzee    spirituality doesn't after all think it's likely, where does    that leave us? Well, with several things:  <\/p>\n<p>    With Goodall's enduring view, of course.  <\/p>\n<p>    With the remark of     James Harrod, also interviewed by Paulson, that chimpanzees    \"of course\" have an experience of religion (not just    spirituality) because they experience reverence, awe, and    wonder in the ways Goodall described.  <\/p>\n<p>    With the fascinating scholarship of Donovan Schaefer, that    claims also full-on     religion for chimpanzees, and which I described in my piece    for The Atlantic:  <\/p>\n<p>        \"Religion is something we feel in and express with our        whole bodies, Schaefer insists, and once we realize this,        we are free to see religion in other animals in certain        instances of their embodied and emotional practices.\"      <\/p>\n<p>    And for that matter, with Paulson's own view. (Yes, I turned    the tables and interviewed the interviewer). Paulson told me    this by email on Monday:  <\/p>\n<p>        \"While science can tell us a great deal about the        evolutionary benefits of religion  and even certain brain        functions that happen during spiritual experiences  it has        little to tell us about the nature of the experience        itself. Consciousness remains a huge mystery, and spiritual        experience is part of that mystery. So if spiritual        experience among humans is largely beyond the capacity of        science to explain, why do we assume that chimpanzee        spirituality is strictly a science question?      <\/p>\n<p>        None of [the points raised in discussion] proves that        chimpanzees have spiritual experiences or a sense of the        sacred. But given all that we've learned about chimpanzees        over the last 50 years  and how they keep surprising us         why should we assume that they don't also have transcendent        experiences? That would seem to be a tantalizing        possibility that's worth considering.\"      <\/p>\n<p>    Can chimpanzee spirituality be productively explored outside    the realm of science? As I told Paulson on the air, an    insistence on delving into chimpanzees and the sacred, in my    view, says a lot more about us than it does about chimpanzees.  <\/p>\n<p>    Barbara J. King is an anthropology professor emerita at the    College of William and Mary. She often writes about the    cognition, emotion and welfare of animals, and about biological    anthropology, human evolution and gender issues. Barbara's new    book is     Personalities on the Plate: The Lives and Minds of Animals We    Eat. You can keep up with what she is thinking on    Twitter: @bjkingape  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more from the original source: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.npr.org\/sections\/13.7\/2017\/06\/01\/530937607\/a-twist-in-discussions-of-chimpanzee-spirituality\" title=\"A Twist In Discussions Of Chimpanzee Spirituality : 13.7: Cosmos ... - NPR\">A Twist In Discussions Of Chimpanzee Spirituality : 13.7: Cosmos ... - NPR<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Are chimpanzees spiritual? It's a question that Jane Goodall made famous by proposing that the rhythmic swaying and rock-throwing by chimpanzees at waterfalls in Gombe, Tanzania, is an expression of awe and wonder of spirituality. 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