{"id":215749,"date":"2017-04-08T16:45:47","date_gmt":"2017-04-08T20:45:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/ghosts-and-shells-is-transhumanism-cartesian-national-catholic-register-blog.php"},"modified":"2017-04-08T16:45:47","modified_gmt":"2017-04-08T20:45:47","slug":"ghosts-and-shells-is-transhumanism-cartesian-national-catholic-register-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/mind-upload\/ghosts-and-shells-is-transhumanism-cartesian-national-catholic-register-blog.php","title":{"rendered":"Ghosts and Shells: Is Transhumanism Cartesian? &#8211; National Catholic Register (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>  Blogs | Apr. 2, 2017<\/p>\n<p>  Do transhumanists believe in the soul, or in materialistic  reductionism? Or could it be both at the same time?<\/p>\n<p>      The Cartesian idea of the spirit or soul as a disembodied      presence merely using or occupying a body, rather than the      two being integrally connected, is a cardinal principle in      transhumanism, the ultimate goal of which is to transcend the      limitations of corporeal existence through technology.    <\/p>\n<p>    So I wrote in my recent     review of the transhumanist fantasy Ghost in the    Shell, starring Scarlett Johansson. In the combox a    longtime reader who goes by Pachyderminator challenged    this:  <\/p>\n<p>      Modern transhumanists tend to hold a scientific materialist      worldview, which is often concerned specifically to refute      Cartesian dualism and replace it with physical reductionism,      which holds that any system can in principle be modeled      without loss solely with reference to its lowest-level parts.    <\/p>\n<p>    This is quite true of many (not all) transhumanists  a point I    would have noted myselfin a piece on transhumanism. Since    I didnt, I thank Pachyderminator for highlighting this point.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is precisely what makes it so odd that, juxtaposed with    this penchant for reductionistic materialism, transhumanist    imagination also embraces, at least in its more quasi-religious    or existential forms, a Cartesian notion of the self as not    bound or defined by the material reality supporting the self     a ghost in a shell, as the Japanese franchise,    unambiguously an expression of transhumanist imagination,    proposes.  <\/p>\n<p>    The reductionist side of transhumanist thought lies in the    notion that the mind, and more fundamentally the self,    comprises a system that can be fully replicated, thus becoming    equivalent to the original system.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Cartesian side of transhumanist thought lies in the    aspirational hope that replicating the mind and uploading    ones memories, thought patterns, etc. can preserve ones    identity or self  that the me currently residing in my body    can be transferred into a completely different form, and this    too will be me, continuous with the me I have always been.  <\/p>\n<p>    Only last week this fantasy was given imaginative expression in    an     article on transhumanism in the Guardian:  <\/p>\n<p>      You are lying on an operating table, fully conscious, but      rendered otherwise insensible, otherwise incapable of      movement. A humanoid machine appears at your side, bowing to      its task with ceremonial formality. With a brisk sequence of      motions, the machine removes a large panel of bone from the      rear of your cranium, before carefully laying its fingers,      fine and delicate as a spiders legs, on the viscid surface      of your brain. You may be experiencing some misgivings about      the procedure at this point. Put them aside, if you can.    <\/p>\n<p>      Youre in pretty deep with this thing; theres no backing out      now. With their high-resolution microscopic receptors, the      machine fingers scan the chemical structure of your brain,      transferring the data to a powerful computer on the other      side of the operating table. They are sinking further into      your cerebral matter now, these fingers, scanning deeper and      deeper layers of neurons, building a three-dimensional map of      their endlessly complex interrelations, all the while      creating code to model this activity in the computers      hardware. As the work proceeds, another mechanical appendage       less delicate, less careful  removes the scanned material      to a biological waste container for later disposal. This is      material you will no longer be needing.    <\/p>\n<p>      At some point, you become aware that you are no longer      present in your body. You observe  with sadness, or horror,      or detached curiosity  the diminishing spasms of that body      on the operating table, the last useless convulsions of a      discontinued meat.    <\/p>\n<p>      The animal life is over now. The machine life has begun.    <\/p>\n<p>    You see how this is imagined to work? The piece posits    continuity of consciousness (a first-person experience of self,    addressed here in the second person) between you that submits    to the operation and the you that at some pointbecome[s]    aware that you now exist in another form, leaving behind    only discontinued meat. Pure Cartesian imagination.  <\/p>\n<p>    Crucially, bolstering this mental sleight of hand, the scanning    and the consciousness of ones self in the new form is imagined    to be simultaneous with a process of destroying what is    scanned. If we were to adjust the imaginative scenario so that    the scanning process is conceived as non-invasive and    non-destructive, you would still have the (imagined) phenomenon    of a conscious awareness in a new form  but you would also    continue to be conscious and aware in your own body.  <\/p>\n<p>    This alteration reveals that the consciousness we imagine in    the machine is in fact a copy of the consciousness in    our minds; if I can continue to exist as me in my own body,    side by side with the version of me imagined to be in the    computer, then I have not escaped or transcended death at all.    In this scenario, I would continue to exist in my body for my    natural lifespan and then die like anyone else, and the copy of    me in the computer would be like a clone with implanted    memories, a new self or consciousness based on me, but    not me.  <\/p>\n<p>    As an aside, Christopher Nolans The Prestige explores    these implications (in a non-transhumanist cultural context)    with his customary ruthlessness. To enjoy Star Trek,    on the other hand, we are obliged to ignore the reality that if    a viable transporter were ever invented, it wouldnt really    transport a person from one place to another; it would kill the    original person and create a copy in another location. (The    Next Generation comes perilously close to admitting this    in the episode where Commander Riker is inadvertently    duplicated in a transporter accident, with one version stranded    on a deserted planet for years and another version going on to    a successful Starfleet career.)  <\/p>\n<p>    To be sure, there are hard-headed transhumanists who will admit    all this, at least in principle. The frankest will admit that,    on their own reductionist principles, the notion of a    continuous self is an illusion; there is no continuous    underlying reality uniting what I call me today and what    called itself me yesterday or will call itself me tomorrow.    In fact, there is no I or self at all; selfhood itself is a    chimera.  <\/p>\n<p>    On this model, memory fools us all. I have inherited the    memories of past iterations of me, which, they say, tricks me    into feeling as if or believing that some underlying,    continuous reality has had all of these experiences. But this    is all unreal. There is no survival of the self from death,    but then there is no survival from day to day either, or even    from hour to hour.  <\/p>\n<p>    So they say. Yet they generally believe, for example, in    keeping their promises, i.e., promises of which they have    inherited memories, though presumably they would not feel bound    by promises remembered by what they knew or believed to be    false, implanted memories.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even if they were real promises made by someone else and then    copied technologically or telepathically into their minds, they    would hold the original promise makers, not themselves,    responsible for them. Yet on their own principles its not    obvious how the inherited memory of a promise transmitted    organically differs from one transmitted from one mind to    another.  <\/p>\n<p>    For that matter, its not clear how much sense the notion of a    promise makes at all. A promise creates what we conceive as    an obligation for  who? Not for me, for by hypothesis I    dont exist at all, and certainly I wont exist at the future    date when the obligation is held to apply. That will be some    other iteration of me, with memories of what I have done to    be sure, but the me that made those promises no longer    exists, and its far from clear why the me that inherits    those memories should be obliged by them.  <\/p>\n<p>    If artificially transmitted promises dont count, then a    consciousness into which all my memories and thought patterns    had been poured would be no more bound by my promises than a    mind that received them via artificial or telepathic means. But    thats another way of saying that the copy of me isnt really    me  at least, as long as they hold that I am bound by my own    promises.  <\/p>\n<p>    At any rate, such hardheaded materialistic reductionism hardly    seems to comport with quasi-religious zeal for achieving    immortality through mind uploading. Yet this zeal for    immortality is not only often found among those who    theoretically acknowledge the illusionary nature of the self,    it seems to be an important motive, perhaps even the    motive, driving much of the enthusiasm for the transhumanist    project in all its forms, technological, biological,    cyborganic, etc.  <\/p>\n<p>    Like a ghost in a shell, a Cartesian notion of the self as an    actual, intangible thing lurking inside the biological    machines of our bodies, a valuable presence that can be saved    from organic frailty and given digital eternal life, coexists    anomalously with a reductionistmaterialist view of our    cerebral hardware as nothing more than the sum of its parts.  <\/p>\n<p>    Transhumanists may or may not say out loud that we have no    souls, but this doesnt stop them from hoping for the salvation    of their souls in a way fundamentally convergent with believers    in conventional religions. The main difference isnature    of the deity and the hoped-for eschaton.  <\/p>\n<p>    See also        Ghost inthe Shell (review)  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Go here to see the original:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/steven-greydanus\/ghosts-and-shells\" title=\"Ghosts and Shells: Is Transhumanism Cartesian? - National Catholic Register (blog)\">Ghosts and Shells: Is Transhumanism Cartesian? - National Catholic Register (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Blogs | Apr. 2, 2017 Do transhumanists believe in the soul, or in materialistic reductionism?  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/mind-upload\/ghosts-and-shells-is-transhumanism-cartesian-national-catholic-register-blog.php\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"limit_modified_date":"","last_modified_date":"","_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-215749","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-mind-upload"],"modified_by":null,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/215749"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=215749"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/215749\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=215749"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=215749"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=215749"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}