{"id":207830,"date":"2017-02-14T09:57:02","date_gmt":"2017-02-14T14:57:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/freedom-and-liberty-through-the-eyes-of-a-christian-the-liberty-web-english.php"},"modified":"2017-02-14T09:57:02","modified_gmt":"2017-02-14T14:57:02","slug":"freedom-and-liberty-through-the-eyes-of-a-christian-the-liberty-web-english","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/liberty\/freedom-and-liberty-through-the-eyes-of-a-christian-the-liberty-web-english.php","title":{"rendered":"Freedom and Liberty Through the Eyes of a Christian: &#8211; The Liberty Web English"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Interviewer: Hanako Cho  <\/p>\n<p>    Interviewer (I): Lord Actons words absolute power corrupts    absolutely are very famous, but Japanese people dont know    much about him. So would you please share with us your    knowledge about him?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Sure. The full saying    of what he said was: power tends to corrupt and absolute power    corrupts absolutely. So not all power is corrupting, but its    the absolute nature of power. Lord Acton was known for many    witticisms. He had a very quick wit when it came to being able    to put pithy statements together that expressed a truth  a    profound truth about politics, or religion, human liberty. He    was an English historian  19th century  a contemporary of    Cardinal Newman (now Blessed Cardinal Newman) who was also a    very famous figure at the time. So there were a lot of    political religious elements being discussed and debated quite    a bit.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    As always in Europe, the French revolution was a key topic of    his thought. And unlike more proponents of the French    revolution, Lord Acton had thought that the history of liberty    coincided with the history of Christianity, that Christianity    and human liberty grew together. And, of course, this was    opposed to what many of the more radical proponents of the    revolution had said, that Christianity, and especially    Catholicism, needed to be eliminated in order for human beings    to be truly free.  <\/p>\n<p>    Lord Acton was a Roman Catholic himself from an old English    Catholic family which had roots in many other European    countries. So he happened to be born in Naples, Italy, just    south of Rome. He studied in Germany because at the time he    would have studied at the universities in the United Kingdom,    Catholics were not allowed. After the English reformation,    lets call it, Catholics were looked at as not being loyal    citizens of the Crown, and therefore somebody like Lord Acton    studied in Bavaria. But, in a way this expanded his knowledge    of European affairs quite a bit.  <\/p>\n<p>    So Lord Acton was probably one of the most prolific, lets say,    public intellectuals or writers of his day. He wrote book    reviews  lengthy book reviews  of virtually every important    book that came out during his lifetime. He had things to say,    opinions to offer, on virtually every political happening. And,    of course at this time  in the late 19th century  both    Germany and Italy were unified into the nation states that they    are today. And so nationalism was a big subject of his when he    wrote. The nationalist movements that were taking place all    through Europe. Everything happening after 1848. Liberalism,    lets say modern liberalism or classical liberalism, depending    on your viewpoint, were often the subject of his writings. But    as I said before, especially the relationship between    Christianity and liberalism and liberty and to what degree to    they reinforce each other, to what degree to they improve each    other, to what degree are they opposed to each other. These    were the major topics of his writings.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): So what do you say about French Revolution and American    Revolution?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Well, its hard to say    any one thing about the French Revolution and the American    Revolution. Theyre vast  its probably revolutions plural    when it comes to France. And America, for that matter. And in    many ways the French revolution is still unfinished  its    still taking place.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Its still staking place? In what sense?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Well, apparently a    Chinese public intellectual has said this. I dont remember who    the figure was, but when he was asked for his views of the    French revolution, he said its too soon to tell. So,    liberalism is an ongoing project, I would say. And especially    in France. Weve had five republics since the French revolution    and the French say that there will always be a sixth coming. So    you never know what kind of crises are happening.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    I think Acton, like many Englishmen, was more skeptical about    the French revolution than other Europeans were. The English    and the French have always had a bit of a rivalry politically    and culturally, and so I think the English tried to moderate    some aspects of the French revolution. Edmund Burke, you think    of Bourkes writings, his reflections on the revolution in    France, were so extreme from the continental point of view that    he broke with the Whig Party. And, in many ways Acton was a    Catholic Whig. He believed in progress, he believed in human    liberty, but he also believed in enduring first principles. He    believed that the Catholic Church was the true church, the true    religion, and so how that reconciles with human liberty was    always a question.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think Lord Acton was a very admirable man in the sense that    he was very positive about human liberty. He didnt try to deny    human liberty  he thought that human liberty was a risk worth    taking and that civilization would improve as a result, so long    as it was liberty combined with responsibility. Hes famous for    saying: liberty is not just the power to do what one wishes,    but the right to do what one ought.  <\/p>\n<p>    Theres a moral element to freedom. And that there is a right    and wrong way of using your freedom. And so I think Lord Acton    this was true both for individuals and for societies. So in    many ways he was trying to promote this idea of moral    responsibility and human freedom being used for the common    good, and that human freedom had not always been properly    valued, lets say, by especially political authorities. That    hasnt changed so much.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    As a result, Lord Acton was a precursor for what many of us who    work in the think-tank world in the United States and Europe    would have liked to have done, both at his time when many of    these events were taking shape. As I said, the unifications of    Germany and Italy and the French Revolutions and all these    things were happening at that time. So, he was a very important    figure, especially for his time. Hes probably not as well    known as he should be these days, partly because, he never    finished his magnum opus, his great work; his great historical    study on the history of liberty was never completely finished    and therefore wasnt published during his lifetime. And so    theres no one work we can go to and say this was Lord Actons    greatest writing. People know his witticisms, as I said. So he    was known much more for pithy remarks and his opinions on    things, rather than one major work.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): So you are director of Acton Institute? What is the    mission of Acton Institute?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Im the director of    the Acton office in Rome. The Acton Institute is a think-tank    based in Grand Rapids, Michigan, which has been around since    1990 with the primary mission to help educate religious leaders    in economic thought. To help people who guide religious    organizations and religious congregations, or even have a    religious, lets say, interpretation of life to try to    understand how economics relates to how religious people look    at the world, especially when it comes to Christianity.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Theres a widespread opinion that Christianity is opposed to    wealth or to riches, partly because there are many things in    Christianity  in the New Testament especially  that seem to    be critical of riches: its harder for a rich man to enter    Heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle,    for example, or the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. There    are many instances in which Christianity certainly does make a    virtue of poverty. It does try to hold the voluntary vow of    poverty by religious people as a good thing that frees them for    more spiritually devoted lives. But, as a result, people think,    well, we should all be poor. Its the voluntary aspect of    taking a vow of poverty that often gets lost.  <\/p>\n<p>    So, we have a paradox. On the one hand we have this virtue of    poverty when its individually taken or a religious order takes    it on, but we also as Christians think that poverty is    scandalous. So its both a virtue and a scandal. Theres a    little bit of a dichotomy when it comes to how Christians look    at poverty. As a result, many misinterpretations of    Christianity have taken place. One, for example, was called    Liberation Theology, which was a movement that flourished in    the 1970s and 1980s. To put it very briefly, I would say it    was an amalgamation  a synthesis  of Marxism and    Christianity, Marxism especially as understood by Europeans,    but exported to Latin America. It was a way of trying to    correct the inequalities, social, economic and otherwise, that    were often found, and are still found in Latin America, by    trying to take the Christian message and politicize it  make    it very worldly.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Well, whats wrong with a worldly message, you might ask.    Jesus, of course, as God and man was expected to be a king.    And, indeed, he was a king. He is a king. But not in the way    that, lets say, many Jews of his time, and I would say even    people today, would understand. Christ is famous for saying his    kingdom is not of this world. And so there is an aspect that    Jesus did not rule as other kings have ruled. He did not accede    to power the way a Caesar would, or the way a Napoleon would,    or the way even a President in a modern republic would. He    remained a very spiritual figure, away from politics.  <\/p>\n<p>    So the question is how are Christians supposed to live    politically? How are we supposed to live together? And that, I    think, Christianity has always left up to the vagaries of    history, circumstances, the way people interpret the needs of    their day and age, and in many ways Christianity has said these    things will happen as they happen, but the most important    things are of an interior, spiritual nature. How we live in the    world, rather than how we structure society in order to bring    about the kingdom of heaven, which has always been looked at    with some doubt that thats possible. And that God is    ultimately in charge. That our politics are important, very    vital to promoting the common good and social cohesion, but    ultimate God is all powerful, all knowing, he exists outside of    time and space so these things have already been decided in    many ways, even though we have the free will to take that path.    To decide whether we want to follow Gods ordained path for us    or decide to go our own way. And this has always been the big    question about human freedom. Is it a manifestation of human    pride in the face of God and his authority, or is it a way of    exercising the freedom that God has given us for greater    purposes, in order to love and know God better. And so this has    always been the debate, I think, about human freedom.  <\/p>\n<p>    We try to apply that concept to economics. What can economics    do to promote a healthy and virtuous society? What can    economics do to help people live, not only materially better,    but also spiritually. Are there things about economics that we    understand from the study of economics that can improve society    and make us all feel that were more fulfilled, living more in    line with human dignity. What does economics have to teach us    about these things is what we try to help religious leaders    think about, not necessarily having answers to, but think about    these things in a way that they probably wouldnt have if    nobody had brought up the issue of economics with them.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): This is very interesting. I found an article, WSJ, Wall    Street Journal, which talks about the Church of England very    high returns because Church is company that would produce    profit coincide when viewed from Gods perspective. Its really    interesting. So, how can we make sure the market that could    produce the products or profits viewed from God, because    something that sells well doesnt necessarily have high added    value viewed from God. So, how can we make sure of that?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Well, the way we make    sure any of our activities are in line with Gods wills and    purposes. We have to be very intentional in what we do. To    think that our activities have some bearing on the world. And    that we have some responsibility. That each of our activities    in the market place, whether its producing, consuming,    investing, whatever it may be, has some moral component to it.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are times wheninvesting in company A or investing in    company B, theres not so much of a moral element to it. Lets    say they are two companies that are relatively equal and    producing similar goods and services. Its a prudential    decision on the investors part which to invest in. Its not    necessarily a moral principle. But I would say overall we have    to perceive what we do as contributing to the common good. And    its that concept of the common good thats often lost.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Many market economies are liberal democratic societies in which    individualism  the individual  is considered the authority.    Nobody can tell an individual what to do, or so its claimed.    So as a result, any kind of moral claims, anybody who says    someone should or should not do something  the ought    question that I mentioned with Lord Acton  is considered out    of place. Who are you to judge? Who are you to tell me what to    do? This idea that the individual is the best judge of his own    affairs. And, of course, that is a little bit of a problem    because anybody with a little bit of experience and common    sense knows that people make mistakes all of the time.  <\/p>\n<p>    The individual is rarely the best judge of his own affairs.    Thats why we have mentors and teachers and spiritual    directors, and thats why people look for guidance all the    time. Anybody who goes to a bookstore, insofar as they still    exist, if you go to Amazon and look at some of the best sellers    its not surprising that in western individualistic societies    individual self-help books are often very popular. And in a way    I think thats a concession that freedom is not enough, freedom    is not sufficient. Somebody could say, Im going to respect    your freedom so much that Im going to leave you so alone that    I dont need to care about whether youre living a virtuous    life or not.  <\/p>\n<p>    So as a result were kind of caught between wanting to be an    authority unto ourselves as individuals, and knowing that were    very weak and fallible and nothing particularly admirable when    it comes to being individuals. Were lost sheep without a    shepherd in many ways. So often were looking for shepherds.    Christianity is often neglected, but that very language is from    Christianity sheep without a shepherd is what Jesus says. And    so people dont know where to go, and so theyre always looking    for other ways of fulfilling theyre everyday activities, for    giving their everyday activities some purpose in the overall    sense of life and the order of things. And, as a result, people    are always asking questions and looking for answers.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    So [at Acton], on the flip-side we like to also help business    people and these days in our advanced societies almost    everybody is a business person of some sort. We all buy and    sell things. We all go shopping. Were all investors insofar as    were probably middle class and above. What does all this have    to do with life? All the big questions, why we exist and what    we are supposed to be doing here. So, again, we try to bring    these aspects together  the material and the spiritual     without neglecting one or the other, or denigrating one or the    other, because one without the other is somehow less human.    Life would not be as rich, would not be as rewarding, if we    neglected one aspect at the expense of the other.  <\/p>\n<p>    Sothis is some of the things that we like to do. Its not    always popular. I would say that, quoting our co-founder,    Father Robert Sirico: many religious traditionalists think    were crazy libertarians, and many libertarians think were    hoary traditionalists. Were somewhere in between those two    camps. I think the most important thing is to think about how    human beings actually are. Human beings have both these sides    to them. This desire to be independent and self-governing, as    well as a realization that we actually dont know as much as we    claim to. We dont know what is best for us. Its a very    difficult, long process to educate oneself, and a life-long    one, and one that certainly the western tradition has tried to    maintain. If you look at eastern societies, the very    traditional aspects of eastern cultures and eastern    civilizations stress authority, the realization that    individuals are not the best judges of their own affairs.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): In the presidential campaign Mrs Clinton claimed that    Catholic Church needs to have Catholic spring. Have you ever    heard of that?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: I dont think it was    Clinton; it came out in the emails that her Chief of Staff had    been exchanging with some of her campaign workers. But it    wasnt Clinton herself. Still, people around her were saying    there needs to be a Catholic spring.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Because of its backward views on pro-life? But being a    religious organisation  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: I think on life, and    on women, I think it has to do with women in general. So many    of the criticisms of the Catholic Church are not so much about    the Trinity or the resurrection of Jesus or the nature of    Christ, but they often have to do with the church has to say    about women, especially when it comes to sexual ethics. So,    lets just narrow it down to what really seems to get people    upset these days. Its a very narrow preoccupation. Because the    Catholic Church doesnt go along with popular culture and    modern culture as its currently constituted, people think its    just simply reactionary. And anybody who becomes a Catholic,    myself included, is looked at as being somebody whos a secret    authoritarian, a closet authoritarian, who wants to tell people    what to do. I think thats not exactly the case. We respect    human freedom. We know that human beings are free to choose    wrongly and make bad decisions. We know that. And that    sometimes its better to let people make bad decisions and    learn from them rather than trying to save them from    themselves. We fully understand that.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Clinton emails, well her campaign  her staff  emails that    were released through Wikileaks reveal something that most of    us in the United States have known for a long time, that the    Democratic Party which was once the home of most Catholics in    America has moved further and further away from the Church over    the last 30, 40 years. And its very hard now to find Catholics    who believe all that the church says and remain in the    Democratic Party. And I think those emails just revealed that.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Yes, as a religious organisation we are pro-life, not    pro-choice, because the soul reside in mothers womb in the    later period of pregnancy. So we believe that. So that is why    we are so pleased that Hillary Clinton was not chosen by U.S.    citizens this time.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Yeah, theres more to    it than just abortion, but the abortion issue was what drives a    lot of the religious vote towards the Republican Party. But    this is actually a new phenomenon. The Republican Party before    Ronald Reagan was a pro-abortion party and the Democrats were    the pro-life party. This was one of the ironies of history, how    the Democratic Party went from being the pro-life party to    being the absolute pro-choice  pro-abortion- party. And its    very unusual to think about how this happened. I think if you    thought about this 40 or 50 years ago theres no way you would    have guessed that the Democrats would have become the    pro-choice party. The Republicans, who were looked at as a very    white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant party, who didnt particularly    care about abortion issues and would have liked probably to    have seen fewer babies being born in the name of, kind of,    social manners and population control and health and all of    these kind of things, they are now the pro-life party. And this    was primarily due to Ronald Reagan himself, who as Governor of    California had liberalized abortion laws, and came to change    his mind, had a change of heart, and realized that abortion was    indeed a great evil on society and that it needed to be fought.    And so as a result the Republican Party has become the pro-life    party.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): I see. So going back to the Lord Actons remarks. He said    that absolutism and autocratic government will not continue    forever because its very difficult to keep the absolute    submission for a long time. So, viewed fro this standpoint, how    do you see North Korea and China?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: How do I see?  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): How do you see  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: China?  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): North Korea and China  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Yeah. What was the    first part? China and?  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): North Korea and China. Because Lord Acton said its going    to be really difficult to keep the autocratic government    forever.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Yeah, once people get    a taste for human freedom its very difficult to limit it. And    this is, again, a problem of liberalism. So, you may have had,    lets say, traditional mores in a society and then as people    start to become more and more aware of their human freedom they    start to question these things and sort of say, well, are we    doing this just because we were told this is the right thing to    do and therefore we need to question. And thats very much a    double-edged sword. On one hand its a very good thing because    it helps keep government authorities honest. It helps people    realize that just because somebody is richer or stronger or has    more power, that does not entitle them by itself to enforce    their will upon others. And they have to respect individuals as    free and equal human beings. But at the same time, as I was    saying, with liberals, they have a hard time recognizing    anybody has any kind of authority. So therefore, we have to    rethink and come up with our own morality every single day.    Theres no reliance on what we already know and what has    already been decided.  <\/p>\n<p>    So, as a result of this, a place like China, which has started    to liberalize, will probably try to keep the lid on political    control while maintaining some kind of economic freedom. But    again thats a very strange thing to do, because if you think    about state capitalism, to what degree are people really free    in that kind of system? Material wellbeing by itself is not a    manifestation, lets say a manifestation of freedom. If    somebody wants to give you all your needs, provide all your    needs for you, which is what communism wanted and socialism has    always said that the government can do, youre not really free     people dont really feel like theyre exercising their free    will and their moral responsibility to live as they wish to    live. And eventually those kinds of systems tend to break down.    Partly because it doesnt respect human freedom, and party    because it exaggerates the capability of authorities to manage    a large modern economy.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Friedrich Hayek talks about this in The Problem of Knowledge    in Society. There is no one human being in any kind of    government or bureaucracy or central planning agency that knows    all the factors of production, all the supply and demand    aspects of an economy, even a small one. And therefore they    cant set prices or decide where resources ought to be    allocated and things. Its better to let individuals do those    kinds of things. Now, you can let individuals be free    economically within certain parameters, called the rule of law    in a very general sense, that its wrong to steal, its wrong    to take anothers property and then when we have contracts they    ought to be enforced, and if we have disputes we can take them    to an authority  the court system. Theres always this mix    between freedom and authority in any society. Theres never    been a completely authority-less society in which people decide    everything for themselves as they go along. So this is the    problem. People dont know where to turn for [authority].  <\/p>\n<p>    What happens in more authoritarian societies, which are often    based on a different type of anthropology, a different    understanding of human beings, that human beings are not free    by nature, that they need to be treated, in a way, like cogs in    a machine and organized in a different way. That is not a way    of achieving human fulfillment and the flourishing of human    nature. But, again, if it doesnt really reflect human nature    its not going to work and I think both, theanarchist way of    looking at things, as well as the authoritarian way of looking    at society, neither of those fully reflects the drama of human    life and what were here to do.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): Last January in 2015 in France there was incident called    Charlie Hebdo, you remember?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Charlie Hebdo, yes  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Yeah, Charlie Hebdo  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Yeah, the shooting at    the offices of the magazine, yeah.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Yes. And, at that time, people argued that the freedom of    speech surpasses the right of freedom of faith. French people    argued in that way. So, as a religious organisation, we are    very much, we felt, very, a strange feeling. Is there    superiority between the two rights? Is there any superiority    between the two rights?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Well, its the same    question about freedom and responsibility.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Oh yes.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Free speech often has    to do with political speech and religious speech. So, I think    its ridiculous to say that Charlie Hebdo ought to be shut    down, or Islamic terrorists can go in and shoot them because    they dont like what they say about Islam. Thats not the way a    free society operates, obviously.  <\/p>\n<p>    At the same time, I know what you mean, and we dont like to    see religious beliefs insulted, but thats part of free speech.    If you dont like it you have to defend it yourself. And, in a    way I tend toward the free speech side on this just because I    dont know how you would control things in a way that respects    human freedom. But in no way can you allow I mean Charlie    Hebdo was not a fan of any religion  they insulted    Christianity, they insulted Judaism, as well as Islam.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    So, freedom comes with a responsibility, again, and if you are    going to attack peoples very deeply, seriously held religious    beliefs you will pay a price for it. Now it might not, it    shouldnt be with your life, but they should be free to be    criticized. They should be free, but our society should be able    to say what is beyond the pale. We do that with all kinds of    speech. Free speech is not an absolute in any way. Youre not    allowed to incite violence using free speech, youre not    allowed to say false things about another human being  we have    laws against slander and libel and defamation. So, again the    absolutists on free speech, I think, are wrong. They have    exaggerated their case. But religious fanatics like these who    attacked Charlie Hebdo were completely out of place. They    clearly dont understand the rules of French society. They    dont want to play by those rules, and I think that France is    completely justified in telling people who live in their    country, and especially if youre going to be a French citizen,    that these are the rules you play by. You have to learn to    respect opinions that you dont agree with, and if you dont    you have no business being in France.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): I see. Id like to ask you about your take on Trump    administrations trade policy.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Well, having followed    the US election campaign, which seemed to go on forever and    ever in the United States, I think there were some interesting    things being said about free trade. For the first time in my    adult lifetime both parties seemed to be against free trade    agreements, lets call them.  <\/p>\n<p>    Now, I guess the big question is, Is a free trade agreement the    same thing as free trade itself? I think this is one of the    cases that Donald Trump was making during the campaign was that    the North America Free Trade Agreement which, of course, Bill    Clinton had signed into being along with a Republican Congress.    When Bill Clinton did that he was being a New Democrat. The    Democratic Party, which has traditionally been supported by    trade unions, was very skeptical of free trade agreements. Now    with the environmentalists being a big part of the Democratic    Party, they tend to be skeptical of free trade agreements.  <\/p>\n<p>    The left had always been against free trade agreements because    they didnt like to see the market economy being expanded, they    wanted it to be controlled, especially when it came to labour    and the environment. The right, the free market right, let me    put it this way, had criticized some of these agreements    because they tend to be forms of crony capitalism, of setting    out legislation that protects some industries and doesnt    protect other industries. Its not really a free trade    agreement in that regard. And then there are some from the    more, lets say, nationalist right that dont think that the    government should favour the rights of foreign workers just    because they happen to have lower costs than their own workers.    There are a number of elements at play here and I think whats    important is that we maintain the idea that free trade is good,    not only for the United States, but for the rest of the world.  <\/p>\n<p>    The United States since the end of the second world war has had    quite a bit invested in maintaining a free trade regime while    the United States also supplies security, both for trade and    for nations to exist and to promote this type of global order    in the world. The United States has put tons of money and    equipment and effort into maintaining this and Donald Trump is    now questioning that, whether this is whats necessary in the    twenty-first century.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Theres been a backlash against what we call economic    globalization, trade and immigration are not looked at as    unqualified goods. Which of course theyre not as no good is    completely unqualified. Again, we shouldnt be absolutist or    dogmatist or religious about free trade arguments. We should    look at them practically and look at whether they actually do    promote what we would call the common good. Are they actually    good for us as a society?  <\/p>\n<p>    The Democratic Party to me was quite striking that Bill Clinton    who signed NAFTA Hillary Clinton was all over the place when    it came to the TPP. She never really had a principled argument    to make about it, and I think this is probably the reason why    she lost the election. Nobody really knew what she stood for.    Where Donald Trump said very clearly, My responsibility is to    the American people and especially those who have been    forgotten. And that seemed to have won the argument,    especially in those states which made the difference in the US    election, which happens to be where I am from: Michigan,    Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, what we call the former rust    belt, where the manufacturing base has been tremendously    damaged, not only because of free trade but because of    technology and advances we have made when it comes to producing    manufactured goods. Not only do you have [inaudible] lower    labour costs [abroad], but we have technology that makes many    workers redundant. And, without retraining workers and    providing new opportunities for those who are negatively    affected by progress, globalization is going to be on very    shaky ground politically speaking.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): So you say that its important to differentiate between    the free trade agreement and free trade. It needs to have fair    trade, as  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Well, I dont like the    term fair trade either, because that implies that we know    what a fair outcome of an economic agreement is. Often times    we dont, and thats why we allow for free trade for the    parties involved to come to an agreement themselves. So, I    mean, as far as I can tell, Trumps argument on TPP was that,    were making deals with countries who are not playing by the    same rules.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Like China  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Yes,for example,    Chinas currency manipulation. They purposely hold down the    value of their currency so that they can sell more goods to the    United States and make American imports into their country more    expensive. And then you have a big trade deficit. That to    Donald Trump is the real problem. So I think we need to see    what he does. He promises to have tougher negotiators, which    may be a good thing. I tend to think that if you want to have a    free trade agreement it should be fairly simple;were going to    reduce our barriers to entry into our country, and thats it,    quite simple. Reduce the tariffs. Make it easier to trade. And    nothing more. No carve-outs for certain industries, no favours    given. But again that might be a little bit unrealistic because    all politics is like that. All countries will want to protect    certain industries, partly for national defence and security    reasons. And, so you cant allow everything to be decided by    economics. The nationalists have a point there, as do the free    traders.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (I): I see. So do you believe American economy will grow?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: I think so. The left    in America has had, certainly under President Obama, no idea of    how to get an economy moving again. They tend to rely on the    government to grow an economy, and we know that doesnt work.    They say, of course, they want the government to assist the    market, which would be fine so long as you dont crowd out    private initiative and innovation and entrepreneurship, all of    the things that have been missing in the American economy for    at least the last decade or so. Trump understands business    better. He understands the attraction of making good business    deals and getting growth and building things, so hopefully    hell understand that what America needs to do is reduce the    burden of government on business. Cut corporate  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Deregulation  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Cut corporate taxes,    cut regulations, make it easier for market economies to    operate. And let people try to create new opportunities and if    they fail they fail, but keep trying. This is how a market    works. The Democrats, with their nanny state way of thinking,    they want to coddle everybody and make sure that everybody    advances equally, and if somebody happens to advance more    rapidly than another, we have to hold them down until everybody    rises up and eventually nobody does. And I think thats the    real problem with the way the left looks at economics these    days.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): So thats why many American pundits criticize Donald    Trump?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Well people criticize    Trump for a number of reasons. Not just his policies, but his    perceived character and temperament and things like that. But    what I think you saw in the election is that the American    people said they didnt care about those things as much    anymore.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): As long as his economic policy  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Well, as long as he    proves to be a good President. If he does what he says in terms    of making America great again, however thats defined, theres    something to that. And I think he knows, he really does think    America is the richest, most powerful, freest, best country to    live in, and he says, Were on the wrong track.Something like    seventy percent of Americans think that Americas on the wrong    track.  <\/p>\n<p>    (I): Seventy percent? Wow.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr Jayabalan: Seventy percent. So I    think thats the reason why Donald Trump is the President of    the United States.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See the original post here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/eng.the-liberty.com\/2017\/6609\/\" title=\"Freedom and Liberty Through the Eyes of a Christian: - The Liberty Web English\">Freedom and Liberty Through the Eyes of a Christian: - The Liberty Web English<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Interviewer: Hanako Cho Interviewer (I): Lord Actons words absolute power corrupts absolutely are very famous, but Japanese people dont know much about him. So would you please share with us your knowledge about him? 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