{"id":201850,"date":"2015-08-16T17:43:46","date_gmt":"2015-08-16T21:43:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/uncategorized\/youll-probably-never-upload-your-mind-into-a-computer.php"},"modified":"2015-08-16T17:43:46","modified_gmt":"2015-08-16T21:43:46","slug":"youll-probably-never-upload-your-mind-into-a-computer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/futurist-transhuman-news-blog\/mind-upload\/youll-probably-never-upload-your-mind-into-a-computer.php","title":{"rendered":"Youll Probably Never Upload Your Mind Into A Computer"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Many futurists predict that one day we'll upload our minds into    computers, where we'll romp around in virtual reality    environments. That's possible  but there are still a number of    thorny issues to consider. Here are eight reasons why your    brain may never be digitized.  <\/p>\n<p>    Indeed, this isnt just idle speculation. Many important    thinkers have expressed their support of the possibility,    including the renowned futurist Ray Kurzweil (author of    How to Create a Mind), roboticist Hans    Moravec, cognitive scientist Marvin Minsky, neuroscientist    David Eagleman, and many others.  <\/p>\n<p>    Skeptics, of course, relish the opportunity to debunk uploads.    The claim that well be able to transfer our conscious thoughts    to a computer, after all, is a rather extraordinary one.  <\/p>\n<p>    But many of the standard counter-arguments tend to fall short.    Typical complaints cite insufficient processing power,    inadequate storage space, or the fear that the supercomputers    will be slow, unstable and prone to catastrophic failures     concerns that certainly dont appear intractable given the    onslaught of Moores Law and the potential for megascale computation. Another popular objection    is that the mind cannot exist without a body. But an uploaded    mind could be endowed with a simulated body and placed in a    simulated world.  <\/p>\n<p>    To be fair, however, there are a number of genuine scientific,    philosophical, ethical, and even security concerns that could    significantly limit or even prevent consciousness uploads from    ever happening. Here are eight of the most serious.  <\/p>\n<p>    Proponents of mind uploading tend to argue that the brain is a    Turing Machine  the idea that organic minds    are nothing more than classical information-processors. Its an    assumption derived from the strong physical Church-Turing thesis, and one that now    drives much of cognitive science.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    But not everyone believes the brain\/computer analogy works.    Speaking recently at the annual meeting of the American    Association for the Advancement of Science in Boston,    neuroscientist Miguel Nicolelis said that, The brain is not computable and no engineering    can reproduce it. He referred to the idea of uploads as    bunk, saying that itll never happen and that [t]here are a    lot of people selling the idea that you can mimic the brain    with a computer. Nicolelis argues that human consciousness    cant be replicated in silicon because most of its    important features are the result of unpredictable, nonlinear    interactions among billions of cells.  <\/p>\n<p>    You cant predict whether the stock market will go up or down    because you cant compute it, he said. You could have all the    computer chips ever in the world and you wont create a    consciousness. Image credit: Jeff Cameron    Collingwood\/Shutterstock.  <\/p>\n<p>    The computability of the brain aside, we may never be able to    explain how and why we have qualia, or whats called    phenomenal experience.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    According to David Chalmers  the philosopher of mind who came    up with the term hard problem  well likely solve the easy    problems of human cognition, like how we focus our attention,    recall a memory, discriminate, and process information. But    explaining how incoming sensations get translated into    subjective feelings  like the experience of color, taste, or    the pleasurable sound of music  is proving to be much more    difficult. Moreover, were still not entirely sure why we even    have consciousness, and why were not just philosophical    zombies  hypothetical beings who act and respond as if    theyre conscious, but have no internal mental states.  <\/p>\n<p>    In his paper, Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness,    Chalmers writes:  <\/p>\n<p>      How can we explain why there is something it is like to      entertain a mental image, or to experience an emotion? It is      widely agreed that experience arises from a physical basis,      but we have no good explanation of why and how it so arises.      Why should physical processing give rise to a rich inner life      at all? It seems objectively unreasonable that it should, and      yet it does.    <\/p>\n<p>    If any problem qualifies as the problem of    consciousness, argues Chalmers, it is this one. Image:    blog.lib.umn.edu.  <\/p>\n<p>    And even if we do figure out how the brain generates subjective    experience, classical digital computers may never be able to    support unitary phenomenal minds. This is    whats referred to as the binding problem     our inability to understand how a mind is able to segregate    elements and combine problems as seamlessly as it does.    Needless to say, we dont even know if a Turing Machine can    even support these functions.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    More specifically, we still need to figure out how our brains    segregate elements in complex patterns, a process that allows    us to distinguish them as discrete objects. The binding problem    also describes the issue of how objects, like those in the    background or in our peripheral experience  or even something    as abstract as emotions  can still be combined into a unitary    and coherent experience. As the cognitive neuroscientist    Antti Revonsuo has said, Binding is thus    seen as a problem of nding the mechanisms which map the    objective physical entities in the external world into    corresponding internal neural entities in the brain.  <\/p>\n<p>    He continues:  <\/p>\n<p>    No one knows how our organic brains perform this trick  at    least not yet  or if digital computers will ever be capable of    phenomenal binding. Image credit:    agsandrew\/Shutterstock.  <\/p>\n<p>    Though still controversial, theres also the potential for    panpsychism to be in effect. This is the    notion that consciousness is a fundamental and    irreducible feature of the cosmos. It might sound a    bit New Agey, but its an idea thats steadily gaining currency    (especially in consideration of our inability to solve the Hard    Problem).  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Panpsychists speculate that all parts of matter involve mind.    Neuroscientist Stuart Hameroff has suggested that consciousness    is related to a fundamental component of physical reality     components that are akin to phenomenon like mass, spin or    charge. According to this view, the basis of consciousness can    be found in an additional fundamental force of nature not    unlike gravity or electromagnetism. This would be something    like an elementary sentience or awareness. As Hameroff notes, \"these components just are.\" Likewise,    David Chalmers has proposed a double-aspect theory in which information has both    physical and experiential aspects. Panpsychism has also    attracted the attention of quantum physicists (who speculate    about potential quantum aspects of consciousness given our    presence in an Everett Universe), and physicalists like Galen    Strawson (who argues that mental\/experiential is    physical).  <\/p>\n<p>    Why this presents a problem to mind uploading is that    consciousness may not substrate neutral  a    central tenant of the Church-Turing Hypothesis  but is in fact    dependent on specific physical\/material configurations. Its    quite possible that theres no digital or algorithmic    equivalent to consciousness. Having consciousness arise in a    classical Von Neumann architecture, therefore, may be as    impossible as splitting an atom in a virtual environment by    using ones and zeros. Image credit:    agsandrew\/Shutterstock.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Perhaps even more controversial is the suggestion that    consciousness lies somewhere outside the    brain, perhaps as some ethereal soul or spirit. Its    an idea thats primarily associated with Rene Descartes, the    17th century philosopher who speculated that the mind is a    nonphysical substance (as opposed to physicalist    interpretations of mind and consciousness). Consequently, some    proponents of dualism (or even vitalism) suggest that    consciousness lies outside knowable science.  <\/p>\n<p>    Needless to say, if our minds are located somewhere outside our    bodies  like in a vat somewhere, or oddly enough, in a    simulation (a la The Matrix)  our chances of    uploading ourselves are slim to none.  <\/p>\n<p>    Philosophical and scientific concerns aside, there may also be    some moral reasons to forego the project. If were going to    develop upload technologies, were going to have to conduct    some rather invasive experiments, both on animals and humans.    The potential for abuse is significant.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Uploading schemas typically describe the scanning and mapping    of an individuals brain, or serial sectioning. While a test    subject, like a mouse or monkey, could be placed under a    general anesthetic, it will eventually have to be re-animated    in digital substrate. Once this happens, well likely have no    conception of its internal, subjective experience. Its brain    could be completely mangled, resulting terrible psychological    or physical anguish. Its reasonable to assume that our early    uploading efforts will be far from perfect, and potentially    cruel.  <\/p>\n<p>    And when it comes time for the first human to be uploaded,    there could be serious ethical and legal issues to consider     especially considering that were talking about the re-location    of a living, rights-bearing human being. Image credit: K.    Zhuang.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Which leads to the next point, that of post-upload skepticism.    A person can never really be sure they created a sentient copy    of themselves. This is the continuity of consciousness    problem  the uncertainty well have that, instead of    moving our minds, we simply copied ourselves instead.  <\/p>\n<p>    Because we cant measure for consciousness  either    qualitatively or quantitatively  uploading will require a    tremendous leap of faith  a leap that could lead to complete    oblivion (e.g. a philosophical zombie), or something completely    unexpected. And relying on the advice from uploaded beings    wont help either (Come on in, the waters fine...).  <\/p>\n<p>    In an email to me, philosopher David Pearce put it this way:  <\/p>\n<p>    In other words, the quality of conscious experience in digital    substrate could be far removed from that experienced by an    analog consciousness. Image: Rikomatic.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Once our minds are uploaded, theyll be physically and    inextricably connected to the larger computational    superstructure. By consequence, uploaded brains will be    perpetually vulnerable to malicious attacks and other unwanted    intrusions.  <\/p>\n<p>    To avoid this, each uploaded person will have to set-up a    personal firewall to prevent themselves from being    re-programmed, spied upon, damaged, exploited, deleted, or    copied against their will. These threats could come from other    uploads, rogue AI, malicious scripts, or even the authorities    in power (e.g. as a means to instill order and control).  <\/p>\n<p>    Indeed, as we know all too well today, even the tightest    security measures can't prevent the most sophisticated attacks;    an uploaded mind can never be sure its safe.  <\/p>\n<p>    Special thanks to David Pearce for helping with this    article.  <\/p>\n<p>    Top image: Jurgen Ziewe\/Shutterstock.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See the original post here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/io9.com\/you-ll-probably-never-upload-your-mind-into-a-computer-474941498\" title=\"Youll Probably Never Upload Your Mind Into A Computer\">Youll Probably Never Upload Your Mind Into A Computer<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Many futurists predict that one day we'll upload our minds into computers, where we'll romp around in virtual reality environments. 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